b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I bet impeachment taking the focus off of trump and to what congress is doing on that front is sucking the oxygen from the dumb shit he's doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, MarSolo said: So like, have we learned nothing? How fucking hard is it to NOT use technology for a fragile system like voting? Them contracts tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: This matches a rise in the NBC tracker as well. As a non-American I have resigned myself to the fact that Trump is winning a second term, and I don't doubt (if he is still alive in some shambling form) that the GOP will try to keep him for a third. This coupled with yesterday's low turnout has got me pretty down today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 are we still doomed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 There was another poll last month that showed voter enthusiasm for 2020 was through the roof...but the biggest chunk of people in the "very enthusiastic" crowd supported Trump. I have no doubt that the Democratic nominee will win the popular vote due to running up the score in California and New York...but I also believe that Trump will win the EC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: and I don't doubt (if he is still alive in some shambling form) that the GOP will try to keep him for a third. This makes no sense. If the GOP had any of the other top 2016 guys in the WH now, people who are actually competent politicians, they would have achieved significantly more these last three years. They will be happy to move on from the Trump era where their presidential candidate isn’t sabotaging the agenda with his Twitter tantrums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, sblfilms said: This makes no sense. If the GOP had any of the other top 2016 guys in the WH now, people who are actually competent politicians, they would have achieved significantly more these last three years. They will be happy to move on from the Trump era where their presidential candidate isn’t sabotaging the agenda with his Twitter tantrums. I don't see any sign of this. If the GOP wanted to, they could get rid of Trump right now with easy cover through impeachment and run Pence or anyone else. But the GOP base is now the Trump base. The only thing that will get those voters back (to the party, rather than the candidate) is through Trump dying. The GOP is afraid of its base, as the entire country should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I don't see any sign of this. If the GOP wanted to, they could get rid of Trump right now with easy cover through impeachment and run Pence or anyone else. But the GOP base is now the Trump base. The only thing that will get those voters back (to the party, rather than the candidate) is through Trump dying. The GOP is afraid of its base, as the entire country should be. Trump is their best shot at winning in 2020, of course they aren’t going to send him packing. But they would much prefer President Pence to President Trump because they would get much more of their agenda passed when the President isn’t tanking things because he says stupid, obnoxious, and offensive things all the time. Trump is so toxic that things people would otherwise like/support/champion they don’t because he is the one pushing those things. Like, it is bananas given the overall economic landscape that Trump still has a decent chance of losing. That’s all because of him. Any of the other top 2016 candidates from the GOP side would be significantly ahead of where Trump is polling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Prescient: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 49 minutes ago, MarSolo said: So like, have we learned nothing? How fucking hard is it to NOT use technology for a fragile system like voting? Technology absolutely failed here. But, I’m ok with *this* type of voting technology. You calculate everything by hand, using paper and pencil, and then use technology to facilitate the data stream. I have an issue with voting machines. 100% digital elections should be barred by the FEC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Double dipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Best breakdown of the Democratic candidates thus far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 From the reporters I’m seeing on Twitter, it seems increasingly likely that the IDP started pooping bricks when they looked at the data coming in and realized a lot of precincts screwed up the process of realignment. The whole app reporting system breaking down was just icing on the cake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, sblfilms said: From the reporters I’m seeing on Twitter, it seems increasingly likely that the IDP started pooping bricks when they looked at the data coming in and realized a lot of precincts screwed up the process of realignment. The whole app reporting system breaking down was just icing on the cake. This does seem to be the case. The app is not the real story here (but unfortunately will be) - the real story is that the caucus was run completely wrong by many volunteers, and likely has been run incorrectly for years. All caucuses need to be abandoned, and Iowa in particular needs to lose its place as the first vote. Replace it with the state that best represents the demographics of the US as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Dictator for Life, Donald J. Trump is enjoying this day very much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: Best breakdown of the Democratic candidates thus far. My pasty white ass enjoyed this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Comet said: Dictator for Life, Donald J. Trump is enjoying this day very much. The media has learned nothing over the past four years. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 42 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Prescient: As a software dev I agree with this. It’s only getting worse every new generation of coders. -edit- i’m not blaming the coders just the evolving standers and best practices that come with every new group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Democracy isn't that hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Jesus. There have been times where this applied to me too. Like not realizing a test had a back side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I've seen a number of reactions that basically amount to "well, at least this will be the end of caucuses," that somehow forget that in 2012 the GOP result wasn't finalized for two weeks. I would be happy to see everyone just go to a normal primary vote, but I would still be shocked if the end result of this whole mess is that Iowan's decide to fix a broken system that also gives them a wholly unique focus every four years. Especially when changing to a primary would setup a confrontation with NH state law that basically requires them to go first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Are the problems due to a bad app? Or, as I’ve read in some places, that many precincts incorrectly ran their caucus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Why? Just, why? Even those old IBM terminals you found in every library back in the 90s had a 24 line resolution. How can you not for everyone on one page? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Are the problems due to a bad app? Or, as I’ve read in some places, that many precincts incorrectly ran their caucus? Yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Just now, Mr.Vic20 said: Yes. So, if the caucus was run incorrectly, does that invalidate that precinct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Well, I see the Iowa caucus was indeed the shit show I predicted it would be on page 1 of this thread. Strap in people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, TwinIon said: I've seen a number of reactions that basically amount to "well, at least this will be the end of caucuses," that somehow forget that in 2012 the GOP result wasn't finalized for two weeks. I would be happy to see everyone just go to a normal primary vote, but I would still be shocked if the end result of this whole mess is that Iowan's decide to fix a broken system that also gives them a wholly unique focus every four years. Especially when changing to a primary would setup a confrontation with NH state law that basically requires them to go first. After @b_m_b_m_b_m said something about the GOP not doing a caucus, I read up on it and while they still call it a caucus it really is just a primary. Only the Dems use the Byzantine method we bore witness to last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: This matches a rise in the NBC tracker as well. As a non-American I have resigned myself to the fact that Trump is winning a second term, and I don't doubt (if he is still alive in some shambling form) that the GOP will try to keep him for a third. Unbelievable. This is because people don't watch the news, or only get their info exclusively from their Facebook echo chamber as @Ghost_MH said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: This matches a rise in the NBC tracker as well. As a non-American I have resigned myself to the fact that Trump is winning a second term, and I don't doubt (if he is still alive in some shambling form) that the GOP will try to keep him for a third. Jesus Christ on a crutch, dude, can we wait until the beginning of November 2020 to assess his approval rating? At least talking about a dictatorship can start before a second Trump term instead of February. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 The Dems always manage to over complicate everything. How hard is it to, you know, just have people vote for their candidate of choice? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 EDIT: lol. Imagine the electoral college putting out 50% of the results for a day or two before adding any others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Lol. As someone who has distributed apps this way, doing it without complete control over the device was always going to be a disaster. Asking random people to set up an enterprise cert to get an app is just madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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