stepee Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 31 minutes ago, Nokra said: Should I admit that I have no idea how to actually say this? 🙈 Too late! <--- is white as fuck “Ten compact network attached storage drives” 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Massdriver Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 The argument goes that Bernie has only been attacked with kid gloves. Some Democrats believe that he is a certain loss against Trump whenever the attacks are amped up 10x, so they want to preempt that so they defeat trump in 2020. This will be spun as the establishment and neoliberals being worried that they are losing control, but I believe any reasonable person looking at the situation should be able to admit that betting on the younger demographic for a November win has historically been a loser and is risky. The problem for these concerned Dems is Biden sucks and will be destroyed just as bad or worse with Hunter and his record and every other pragmatic democrat has no traction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 47 minutes ago, Massdriver said: The argument goes that Bernie has only been attacked with kid gloves. Some Democrats believe that he is a certain loss against Trump whenever the attacks are amped up 10x, so they want to preempt that so they defeat trump in 2020. This will be spun as the establishment and neoliberals being worried that they are losing control, but I believe any reasonable person looking at the situation should be able to admit that betting on the younger demographic for a November win has historically been a loser and is risky. The problem for these concerned Dems is Biden sucks and will be destroyed just as bad or worse with Hunter and his record and every other pragmatic democrat has no traction. If Bernie ends up being the nominee, it's going to be pretty interesting to watch--it'll essentially be a national shouting match over 'socialism' until election day. I do think Sanders will have to up his game; thus far, every time I've seen him asked a question about what makes 'democratic socialism' preferable to 'capitalism', or what 'democratic socialism' even really is, he usually degenerates into spouting vague social democratic platitudes, effectively dodging the question. That's one of the more irritating things about both him and AOC--they don't really seem to have a robust theoretical grasp of either socialism or capitalism. Their definitions for both are reductive and cryptically ahistorical. And that could become a problem once the Republicans start trotting out the ghost of Mao and Stalin. Sanders will have to get very specific very quickly about why he's not like them, and what makes his 'revolution' different from the socialist revolution the Russians carried out in the name of Marx and Engels, which the average American most certainly does not want to see repeated on their home soil. If he can reassure people that he's essentially just talking about an idealized capitalism with a beefed-up welfare state--that his model is FDR, not the Soviets--he might have a decent shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 16 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: If Bernie ends up being the nominee, it's going to be pretty interesting to watch--it'll essentially be a national shouting match over 'socialism' until election day. I do think Sanders will have to up his game; thus far, every time I've seen him asked a question about what makes 'democratic socialism' preferable to 'capitalism', or what 'democratic socialism' even really is, he usually degenerates into spouting vague social democratic platitudes, effectively dodging the question. That's one of the more irritating things about both him and AOC--they don't really seem to have a robust theoretical grasp of either socialism or capitalism. Their definitions for both are reductive and cryptically ahistorical. And that could become a problem once the Republicans start trotting out the ghost of Mao and Stalin. Sanders will have to get very specific very quickly about why he's not like them, and what makes his 'revolution' different from the socialist revolution the Russians carried out in the name of Marx and Engels, which the average American most certainly does not want to see repeated on their home soil. If he can reassure people that he's essentially just talking about an idealized capitalism with a beefed-up welfare state--that his model is FDR, not the Soviets--he might have a decent shot. I agree, he has a decent shot. His policies seem to be better described as social democracy. Why does he not use that label? He likes being called a socialist, so maybe we should just believe that his end goal is for the state to seize more industries. He held such views in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, Massdriver said: I agree, he has a decent shot. His policies seem to be better described as social democracy. Why does he not use that label? He likes being called a socialist, so maybe we should just believe that his end goal is for the state to seize more industries. He held such views in the past. Yes, and I expect the fondness for nationalization he expressed in the past will be brought up on the campaign trail. It will be interesting to see how he responds, since a lot of the working class people he's claiming to be advocating for could conceivably be hurt by the nationalization of industries like healthcare or fossil fuels--and the Republicans are likely to point this out in the loudest, most bombastic terms possible. (Then again, there are still a lot of pro-Trump farmers whose margins are being flogged by his tariffs, so who knows how the allegiances play out) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baconbits Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 5 hours ago, Massdriver said: The argument goes that Bernie has only been attacked with kid gloves. Some Democrats believe that he is a certain loss against Trump whenever the attacks are amped up 10x, so they want to preempt that so they defeat trump in 2020. This will be spun as the establishment and neoliberals being worried that they are losing control, but I believe any reasonable person looking at the situation should be able to admit that betting on the younger demographic for a November win has historically been a loser and is risky. The problem for these concerned Dems is Biden sucks and will be destroyed just as bad or worse with Hunter and his record and every other pragmatic democrat has no traction. I really think the Dem "establishment" donor class would rather have Trump get re-elected than have Sanders as President. I think they'd even be OK if Biden lost to Trump. That way their gravy train keeps on pouring & their way of life ticks on. Sanders would work to completely flush out all of the corporate-friendly influence at the DNC & kick the lobbyists/donor class to the curb. He'll be out there campaigning for an agenda he ran on and if you're a democrat or even a republican that's against it, he's going to show up to campaign for a primary challenger that support's him. I don't think we have fully realized how fierce Sander's is going to be with the movement he's building. This man is going to be a very vocal fighter & use that bully pulpit like it's fucking Thor's hammer. He's rallying people around popular ideas & telling them that their voice is bigger than they realize. The establishment/donor class doesn't want him to flip their world upside down & lose their political influence. I think the kids gloves will be coming off very soon, especially if he wins these upcoming states. I think it's about to get really ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Jason said: Loeffler looks like she just smoked an ounce of California’s finest in that photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Lobbyist bought tropical land from Biden’s brother https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/28/james-biden-lobbyist-virgin-islands-099318 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 Man, I have no idea how this is going to shake out. Competitive Top 4, plus caucus style multi-round voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 I saw an analysis of voters a few days ago that showed Biden is more popular in Iowa overall, but his supporters are less likely to caucus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 I'd like a 2008 repeat, where two big elections in a row (2006/2008, 2018/2020) Democrats kick ass, but without the 2010 repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Great MSM opinions, as always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Great MSM opinions, as always. That first fucking response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: I'd like a 2008 repeat, where two big elections in a row (2006/2008, 2018/2020) Democrats kick ass, but without the 2010 repeat. I was flying out of the country the day after the 2006 election. I was flying back home the day after the 2008 election (sent in my absentee ballot). Those were great moments. But my favorite moment was actually 2012 when Obama won re-election against Mitt Romney. I was in my senior year at BYU and you could just feel the depression on campus. It gave me a raging boner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 Ya know, the article itself isn't that weird? It just goes into the anti-Semitic attacks and Jewish conspiracies connecting socialism and Jews (as the Nazis did, which right-wingers don't seem to get when they call Nazis left-wing), and this seems to be the thesis: Quote Sanders’s supporters think his outsider appeal can bring in disaffected voters. But anti-Semitism says that it is non-Jews who have been made outsiders, and that taking the country back requires uniting against Jews. In an economy where more people feel like outsiders than insiders, this is a message with dangerous appeal — and Jews aren’t the only ones at risk. The Judeo-Bolshevist myth doesn’t just preach that Jews are bad; it says that the search for “impossible equality” is itself morally suspect. The reality is that defending Jews and defending the right of all people to fight for a fair economy will be one struggle. Anti-Semitism poses a threat to Democrats in 2020. The answer is not to hide from it. When anti-Semitism increases, even non-Jews can’t escape it. Just ask Franklin D. Roosevelt, who presided during the last historic rise of American anti-Semitism. Roosevelt wasn’t Jewish, but that didn’t protect him from consistent rumors that he was secretly a Jew or that he was a puppet of his Jewish advisers. Nor was this phenomenon limited to the 1930s — look at the anti-Semitic rhetoric used in 2016 against Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, both by Republican candidate Donald Trump and his supporters. Americans will need a candidate who can slay this dragon, a leader who understands that the answer to both anti-Semitism and inequality in America is to face them head-on. Such a candidate will need supporters who grasp how anti-Semitism works in America: its deep roots, its power to divide movements and its strategic role in silencing people who know how possible equality really is. Not really that weird. I guess what WaPo typed in the Tweet took away from what seems to be a decent article from a Jewish author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: I was flying out of the country the day after the 2006 election. I was flying back home the day after the 2008 election (sent in my absentee ballot). Those were great moments. But my favorite moment was actually 2012 when Obama won re-election against Mitt Romney. I was in my senior year at BYU and you could just feel the depression on campus. It gave me a raging boner. I still remember the people crying about Romney's loss. When someone brings up "crying liberal snowflakes in 2016," I'll post one of these pics and get them to laugh at it (one without Obama/Romney's names on it), and then bring up that they're laughing at Republicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Those are the only faces I saw that day in 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 I trolled the fuck out of Trump’s twitter that day. His whining about Obama and claiming “people needed to rise up” was hilarious. Now? Not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 45 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: I still remember the people crying about Romney's loss. When someone brings up "crying liberal snowflakes in 2016," I'll post one of these pics and get them to laugh at it (one without Obama/Romney's names on it), and then bring up that they're laughing at Republicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Quote Bloomberg hits 12 percent, surpasses Buttigieg in new national poll Democratic presidential hopeful Michael Bloomberg hit double digits in a new Morning Consult poll on Tuesday, marking the latest sign of his campaign's growing support since launching in November. Twelve percent of Democratic primary voters supported Bloomberg in the poll, putting the former New York City mayor above former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg at 7 percent, businessman Andrew Yang at 5 percent and Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) at 3 percent. Former Vice President Joe Biden led the field with 29 percent support, followed by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) at 23 percent. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) rounded out the poll's top three spots with 14 percent support. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/480236-bloomberg-hits-double-digits-in-new-national-poll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbiggsly Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 I don't watch much TV, but I still see a bunch of Bloomberg ads here in Michigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 Bloomberg plays all the time here in Florida. I'm very curious how his poll numbers will be affected after Iowa and New Hampshire. His strategy is to skip those states and focus on Super Tuesday. That's been done by candidates who didn't have his money (Giuliani 2008) and has failed, but his money is large. No debates, unlikely wins or news cycles in the early states, but tons of money for ads for Super Tuesday. I'll be verrryyyy curious to see if he holds after the early states or if he's forgotten despite the money advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 I see Bloomberg ads here all the time over here as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Bloomberg is also the only candidate to be airing an ad during the Super Bowl. Trump is as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 On 1/27/2020 at 12:37 PM, mclumber1 said: It's a rink you doofus I thought NBA was played on a court while NHL is played on a rink? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Remarkableriots said: I thought NBA was played on a court while NHL is played on a rink? @Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MarSolo Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Guys, what happened to Biden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, MarSolo said: Guys, what happened to Biden? He has always been like that. He is “likes to fight” guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 2020 is the sundown election and I hate it already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, MarSolo said: Guys, what happened to Biden? 1 minute ago, sblfilms said: He has always been like that. He is “likes to fight” guy. Biden out here winning hearts and minds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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