b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I'm still trying to figure out who people here actually want to win. Probably 70/30 Sanders/Warren here if I had to make an actual guess. Maybe closer to 85/15. Maybe 5% are for another scrub. Point remains, it's vastly more left than an average forum. I wager very few would sit out if their preferred lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 This is all quite depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I think Butti and Biden are rightfully criticized. This country can't afford to have another moderate Democrat as POTUS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: This is all quite depressing. It's not easy not being a social democrat here. You got to have some thick skin because Bernie a god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Jose said: I think Butti and Biden are rightfully criticized. This country can't afford to have another moderate Democrat as POTUS. Well, Biden seems like the most likely outcome at this point, assuming he's able to beat Trump. I really don't like Biden, but I want Trump out more. and I'm still mentally preparing myself for the outcome that he loses by even bigger margins, but eeks out an EC victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Well, Biden seems like the most likely outcome at this point, assuming he's able to beat Trump. I really don't like Biden, but I want Trump out more. and I'm still mentally preparing myself for the outcome that he loses by even bigger margins, but eeks out an EC victory. This is quite literally all of us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 As I said, this is all quite depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Everybody here is part of the Yang gang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Well, Biden seems like the most likely outcome at this point, assuming he's able to beat Trump. I really don't like Biden, but I want Trump out more. and I'm still mentally preparing myself for the outcome that he loses by even bigger margins, but eeks out an EC victory. I don't think that is likely to happen. Trump got super lucky in 2016 and if he wins in 2020, it will be more decisively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Jose said: I don't think that is likely to happen. Trump got super lucky in 2016 and if he wins in 2020, it will be more decisively. You're the first person, here or otherwise, I've seen say something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: You're the first person, here or otherwise, I've seen say something like that. His victory was based on three states that had a combined margin of victory of less than 100k votes. He is probably not doing that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Jose said: His victory was based on three states that had a combined margin of victory of less than 100k votes. He is probably not doing that again. I'm well aware of how he won. But you're saying he's likely to win a majority of the popular vote and I don't see that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I'm well aware of how he won. But you're saying he's likely to win a majority of the popular vote and I don't see that happening. No, I'm saying he's likely to win the popular vote should he win the election. The whole EC/PV split is unlikely to happen again. We are just biased because it has happened twice in 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I don't see any evidence for that and it seems few others do, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Considering the turnouts for the midterms and the special elections, I have faith that Trump is losing this time if ANYONE other than Biden wins. Biden has been Hillary’d so badly that the entire campaign is going to be Biden defending himself and Hunter over the Burisma stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I don't see any evidence for that and it seems few others do, as well. Given that an EC/PV split historically has been extremely unlikely and that Trump is within the MoE on all GE polls with the Democratic field, he will likely win the popular vote should he win the nomination, especially considering how strong the economy is perceived to be right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I really don't know why anyone talks about the popular vote. It's as irrelevant as the county level 2016 election maps that magatards bring up all the time. It's literally why the focus is on who can win some combination of the Hillary states plus the Midwest or south west. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Lol NYTimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I think it’s easy to understand why people talk about the popular vote. And I just don’t see him getting 3million+ more votes than 2016. He knows what worked then, he’s likely going to try the same strategy this time. But it doesn’t really matter. We’re likely fucked in November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Not in direct response to anything, but Trump is actually polling really well against all candidates right now, general election and battleground states alike. It's pretty depressing. But things can change! So let's hope for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 The real fun is if there is an electoral tie. Then Trump wins after the vote is sent to the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Well now I’m depressed. We know this country can’t afford four more years of this bullshit and I feel like nothing is going to change between now and November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 We are SO fucked Quote When asked about the Obama administration's legacy on Silicon Valley regulation, Biden talks about meeting with leaders in Silicon Valley to discuss intellectual property rights, and describes interacting with an unspecified game developer as "one of the little creeps" who make games that "teach you how to kill people." "And at one point, one of the little creeps sitting around that table, who was a multi- — close to a billionaire — who told me he was an artist because he was able to come up with games to teach you how to kill people, you know the ——," said Biden. The reporter interrupted Biden at this point to clarify he was talking about video games, to which he agrees. The senator went on to use the words "righteous" and "overwhelming arrogance" to further describe those working in tech at Silicon Valley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Jose said: His victory was based on three states that had a combined margin of victory of less than 100k votes. He is probably not doing that again. Of those three states he only needed one, Hillary needed all three, as will the democrat in 2020 unless it can be made up somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: We are SO fucked He's wrong about video game violence, but dead on with the tech Bros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Massdriver said: It's not easy not being a social democrat here. You got to have some thick skin because Bernie a god. Bernie's a social democrat anyway. Bernie is a "god" because that's what people made him into. He's more left than the dems, but he is no leftist. Honestly, any democrat in the field would be an improvement. But some would yield more tangible positive results than others. None of them are bringing a leftist government into power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (sigh) That is a moral abomination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: (sigh) That is a moral abomination. Was going to say "just off the charts is the most horrific misspelling of completely fucked up that I've ever seen." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: Who the hell gave Bennet $1.5 million? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 hours ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: But it doesn’t really matter. We’re likely fucked in November. Here’s a different take that is slightly more positive. Trump will win this year, but we are not fucked long term as long as he doesn’t get us in a massive war. America will muddle through, and we will take on climate issues with intense urgency in 2024 and play catch up with everything else. Republicans are nearly certain to reach the end of this business cycle by 2024 and they will be blamed for the downturn. One has to hope, because it does seem like Trump is going to win whether it is Bernie or Biden. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, Massdriver said: Here’s a different take that is slightly more positive. Trump will win this year, but we are not fucked long term as long as he doesn’t get us in a massive war. America will muddle through, and we will take on climate issues with intense urgency in 2024 and play catch up with everything else. Republicans are nearly certain to reach the end of this business cycle by 2024 and they will be blamed for the downturn. One has to hope, because it does seem like Trump is going to win whether it is Bernie or Biden. And in 2024 we voting for AOC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finaljedi Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 58 minutes ago, Massdriver said: Here’s a different take that is slightly more positive. Trump will win this year, but we are not fucked long term as long as he doesn’t get us in a massive war. America will muddle through, and we will take on climate issues with intense urgency in 2024 and play catch up with everything else. Republicans are nearly certain to reach the end of this business cycle by 2024 and they will be blamed for the downturn. One has to hope, because it does seem like Trump is going to win whether it is Bernie or Biden. Except he'll probably get at least one more supreme court justice and who knows how many appointments to the federal bench. Break more precedents and engage in more open grift after he makes it out of impeachment alive. Second term Trump is unshackled because he won't need to go for re-election and will have made it through a special counsel and an impeachment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, finaljedi said: Except he'll probably get at least one more supreme court justice and who knows how many appointments to the federal bench. Break more precedents and engage in more open grift after he makes it out of impeachment alive. Second term Trump is unshackled because he won't need to go for re-election and will have made it through a special counsel and an impeachment. I'm aware he'll be unshackled, but I believe America will still come out the other side in one piece. We will be battered and wounded, but we won't be fucked. Edit: I think that Trump already proved that he is TERRIBLE in so many ways, but we have survived 4 years of him. We will survive Trump 2.0. Edit 2: This doesn't mean I endorse Trump or his policies, or think what he's doing is okay. This is a difference between many people here being pessimists about the future while I am more optimistic about the long run. We have taken a dark detour for the time being, but I believe this will be short lived. Laugh it up and mock me, I don't really care. None of us know for sure what's coming. I think people will come around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, finaljedi said: Except he'll probably get at least one more supreme court justice and who knows how many appointments to the federal bench. Break more precedents and engage in more open grift after he makes it out of impeachment alive. Second term Trump is unshackled because he won't need to go for re-election and will have made it through a special counsel and an impeachment. This. There's zero chance the democratic establishment wants to take on unpacking the courts, and everything from Medicare to the clean air act is on the chopping block Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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