Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Again, I think there is some errant thinking going on because the presumption is that a candidate will hit 50%+1 before the convention and that’s actually not particularly likely. If Biden wins IA and NH, then I think it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 4 hours ago, sblfilms said: Again, I think there is some errant thinking going on because the presumption is that a candidate will hit 50%+1 before the convention and that’s actually not particularly likely. FiveThirtyEight has “no one” at a 15% chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 And if Yang wins Iowa in an unexpected twist???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Warren campaign may not have leaked the Bernie-Warren convo re: woman President. Journalists might have, to stir up drama: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 That CA poll is comprised of 35% self-identified Republicans and 60% non-Latin caucasians. Those demographics are a little...uhhhh..."off" for California. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/17/2020 at 3:48 PM, CitizenVectron said: Where is the evidence that the poll is manipulated? Online polls have proven themselves to be pretty good the last few years. This isn't a case of companies doing self-selected polls, it is still weighted and sampled. You have Eliott Morris saying it's crap and RCP doesn't even count it on its average. Pretty good evidence, I'd say. I would like to look at the poll's methodology, but I haven't found where I can even do that anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 They won't do this to Biden, what are the odds they won't do it to Trump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 29 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: They won't do this to Biden, what are the odds they won't do it to Trump? Who cares? Just kidding I’m sure a lot of people care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 57 minutes ago, Massdriver said: Who cares? Just kidding I’m sure a lot of people care. 4 Pinocchios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 2 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: They won't do this to Biden, what are the odds they won't do it to Trump? I wonder if this tiresome bullshit of always crying about fake media abuse will work in the GE. Hopefully! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Jose said: I wonder if this tiresome bullshit of always crying about fake media abuse will work in the GE. Hopefully! It worked for Trump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, SilentWorld said: It worked for Trump. True! Bernie and Trump have many similarities. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jose said: True! Bernie and Trump have many similarities. Their supporters do, that's for damn sure. If its Bernie vs Trump in the GE, then which side will the Fake News Media take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 42 minutes ago, Jose said: True! Bernie and Trump have many similarities. Well yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Jose said: I wonder if this tiresome bullshit of always crying about fake media abuse will work in the GE. Hopefully! The media deserves every bit of criticism it gets for not calling out objective lies and falsehoods, something that only some have done starting recently with regard to what trump says. Why should Biden get a pass? Why did they change the byline here? I’d expect them to do the same of any candidate, and call them out for obvious lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 As a follow up to my previous post about Bernie’s comments to the NYT editorial board, it’s worth noting that Sanders has been making the “class, not racism” argument for a long time including about the government harassment campaign against MLK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 It's kind of funny that the clip is being used against him when he's supporting Jesse Jackson for being on the side of poor people. Bernie gets MLK's message. I don't think many Democrats do past, "Be nice to black people." MLK's positions match his far more than any other Democrat and definitely any Republican. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: It's kind of funny that the clip is being used against him when he's supporting Jesse Jackson for being on the side of poor people. Bernie gets MLK's message. I don't think many Democrats do past, "Be nice to black people." MLK's positions match his far more than any other Democrat and definitely any Republican. Biden said black people need to keep the record player on for kids just lol. He ain't perfect but is by far the best candidate remaining on race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I would be more likely to just shrug my shoulders if he was saying “We can’t make racist people stop being racist, but we can help fix the down stream affects of racism in wages, criminal justice, education, housing, etc. with my policies that help all lower and middle class people.” But that isn’t what he is saying. He is straight up said to the NYT editorial board that economically disadvantaged whites are swayed by appeals to racism not because they hold racist views but because they are economically disadvantaged. He thinks fixing economic issues for poor whites will make them less racist. Did the solidly middle class whites who fled the cities for the suburbs in the 50s just need to get even wealthier to stop running away from black and brown folks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 minute ago, sblfilms said: He thinks fixing economic issues for poor whites will make them less racist. I don't think he actually said that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baconbits Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Quote "The long journey ahead requires that we emphasize the needs of all America's poor, for there is no way merely to find work, or adequate housing, or quality integrated schools for Negroes alone. We shall eliminate slums for Negroes when we destroy ghettos and build new cities for all. We shall eliminate unemployment for Negroes when we demand full & fair employment for all. We shall produce an educated & skilled Negro mass when we achieve a twentieth century educational system for all" - Martin Luther King Jr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 It seems the implicit argument is that there is racial resentment, but material interests can keep some (but by all means not all) of that in check. So material insecurity can lead to greater racial resentment, as you can blame the Jew, the black, the Mexican, (people you already have some animus against) for why your job is lost, or the plant across town is closing. I think the pure class based analysis lacks the effect of race or racism has on the American experience (and the best known critiques of capitalism come from Europe, which has a different history with regards to race and class that America does) and Bernie's thoughts seen to be classically European which is a flaw in his reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Massdriver Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Quote The New York Times editorial board endorsed the two leading female candidates for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination on Sunday, throwing its support behind Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota and Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts. The board’s decision to back not one but two candidates is a significant break with convention, one that it says is meant to address the “realist” and “radical” models being presented to voters by the 2020 Democratic field. While arguing that President Trump must be defeated, the board does not take a position on the best path forward for Democrats, writing that both approaches “warrant serious consideration.” (The editorial board is separate from the New York Times newsroom.) https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/19/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-elizabeth-warren-new-york-times-endorsement.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 The only person this could possibly effect is Biden, and in a bad way. But mostly nothing, other than lololololololololol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 The New York Times continues to show why they are irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Surely this means the media will stop trying to create a fake beef where it doesn't exist. Surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I'm still trying to figure out who people here actually want to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I'm still trying to figure out who people here actually want to win. Not Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Not Trump. Obviously. It's just more that every Democratic candidate is laughed at, sneered at, and generally ridiculed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Obviously. It's just more that every Democratic candidate is laughed at, sneered at, and generally ridiculed. It's fun laughing at their quirks. In some sense it's like "we're facing the most unpopular president ever and this crop is the best we got?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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