ThreePi Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, CayceG said: What do you suppose that is? Trying to peel voters from Trump? Unless you believe that everyone that voted for Trump in 2016 is a lock to vote for him in 2020, then yeah, he's trying to peel away some of those voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I just want to remind everyone that Joe Biden was paid $200K to speak at a pro-business event in which he praised the Republican incumbent in a competitive House district in Michigan. The GOP incumbent won by 4.5%, the lowest margin of his tenure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 The countervailing force is Blue Dog Democrats to progressives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 We need Republicans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Republicans are terrorists anyways. Why negotiate with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Buttigieg, Biden tied with Trump in Arizona: poll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 27 minutes ago, Massdriver said: Buttigieg, Biden tied with Trump in Arizona: poll I have never in my life seen an article frame a poll between two candidates that was within the MoE as a tie. I mean, I know it's the TheHill, but still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 How the Cool Kids of the Left Turned on Elizabeth Warren 4 hours ago, Jose said: I have never in my life seen an article frame a poll between two candidates that was within the MoE as a tie. I mean, I know it's the TheHill, but still. I don't see in the headlines very often, but I see it phrased as "statistical dead heat" or "statistical tie" regularly in the body of articles.Other times they say that the difference is within the poll's margin of error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Right, but the fact that they called it a tie in the headline is incredibly misleading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Why is Buttigieg still taken seriously? Is there an actual path to the nomination with zero African American support, or are they thinking an Obama like swing in South Carolina after Iowa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Why is Buttigieg still taken seriously? Is there an actual path to the nomination with zero African American support, or are they thinking an Obama like swing in South Carolina after Iowa? They've got high high hopes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Jwheel86 said: Why is Buttigieg still taken seriously? Is there an actual path to the nomination with zero African American support, or are they thinking an Obama like swing in South Carolina after Iowa? I bet the thinking is we have 4 candidates that are very competitive with each other and this thing may go to a convention. Buttigieg is well funded to go for the long haul, and while he won’t get an Obama surge with African Americans, he may pick up some support along the way with more name recognition and outreach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Such an inspirational leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Aren't people still limited to $2800 in donations per candidate per election? Does it matter if a billionaire donates the maximum vs a middle class person donating the same amount? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 48 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Aren't people still limited to $2800 in donations per candidate per election? Does it matter if a billionaire donates the maximum vs a middle class person donating the same amount? Billionaires can set up a PAC and pay millions for ad campaigns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Pete Buttigieg To Open Fundraisers To Press And Disclose Bundlers Quote The presidential campaign of South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg announced Monday that it would allow members of the news media to cover future private fundraisers and would disclose the names of super donors known as “bundlers.” Reporters will be permitted to cover Buttigieg’s fundraisers starting on Tuesday and the campaign will provide the names of bundlers, who solicit multiple donations from other wealthy individuals, by the end of the week, according to a statement from campaign manager Mike Schmuhl. And while Buttigieg began his campaign by publicly releasing the names of his bundlers, he has not updated his public list of bundlers since April, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. (No other candidate who relies on bundlers, including Biden, has so much as begun to publicly identify them.) https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pete-buttigieg-opens-fundraisers-bundlers_n_5deeae89e4b07f6835b79911 He also doesn't take PAC money and doesn't take money from lobbyists. He has released tax returns going back to 2007. Edit: For clarification, he has taken money from them, but doesn't anymore. Check the huffington post article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 7 hours ago, mclumber1 said: Aren't people still limited to $2800 in donations per candidate per election? Does it matter if a billionaire donates the maximum vs a middle class person donating the same amount? It's not donating to another's campaign so much as self-funding your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 14 hours ago, Jwheel86 said: Why is Buttigieg still taken seriously? Is there an actual path to the nomination with zero African American support, or are they thinking an Obama like swing in South Carolina after Iowa? He’s the only centrist not showing signs of senility and enmeshed in the same controversy that’s leading to Trump’s impeachment, so they’re probably that thinking yes, there’s a chance primary voters will break late for him a la John Kerry 2004 because the only other contenders pulling big numbers right now are, in their estimation, too far left. But when Yang wins Iowa and NH they won’t know what hit them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 17 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: He’s the only centrist I mean, he's now a centrist, bordering on center right based on who he's chosen as comms director. 9 hours ago, mclumber1 said: Aren't people still limited to $2800 in donations per candidate per election? Does it matter if a billionaire donates the maximum vs a middle class person donating the same amount? https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14434721 https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/11/2020-candidates-bundler-fundraisers-1266987 Quote Past presidential candidates, including John McCain, Hillary Clinton and former Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush, have voluntarily released lists of their bundlers — donors who raised big money for campaigns by tapping their networks of friends and acquaintances to donate their own money. Those fundraisers are often tapped for ambassadorships and other roles in new administrations. Money buys access. People with a lot of money know a lot of people with a lot of money. It also shows at least some commitment to reducing the role of private money (and it's all corrupting influence) in politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I don't understand why people are surprised that a politician from Indiana isn't a hard left candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, elbobo said: I don't understand why people are surprised that a politician from Indiana isn't a hard left candidate. It's the heel turn from "they're going to call us socialists anyway so do the right thing, and also Medicare for all is the compromise" to whatever he is saying now that he's cashing Aetna checks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 47 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: It's the heel turn from "they're going to call us socialists anyway so do the right thing, and also Medicare for all is the compromise" to whatever he is saying now that he's cashing Aetna checks Then I also don't understand that people are surprised that a young politician with zero nationwide/federal experience has "evolving" policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Just now, elbobo said: Then I also don't understand that people are surprised that a young politician with zero nationwide/federal experience has "evolving" policies. I don't think it's a surprise, but it's a matter of "why support someone for the presidency who is trying to figure out themselves when there are people who you know what they're about and have been about for decades?" I'm not opposed to people changing their minds or being ambitious, but with such a short career and a quick change in his supposed beliefs, it's quite clear the only thing he is for is his own political advancement. It's so nakedly cynical that it's off-putting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 25 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I don't think it's a surprise, but it's a matter of "why support someone for the presidency who is trying to figure out themselves when there are people who you know what they're about and have been about for decades?" I'm not opposed to people changing their minds or being ambitious, but with such a short career and a quick change in his supposed beliefs, it's quite clear the only thing he is for is his own political advancement. It's so nakedly cynical that it's off-putting. Adding to this point: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2019/10/pete-buttigieg-has-always-been-the-mckinsey-candidate.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Basically says "We're not taking back the house so I'm out" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I don't think it's a surprise, but it's a matter of "why support someone for the presidency who is trying to figure out themselves when there are people who you know what they're about and have been about for decades?" I'm not opposed to people changing their minds or being ambitious, but with such a short career and a quick change in his supposed beliefs, it's quite clear the only thing he is for is his own political advancement. It's so nakedly cynical that it's off-putting. It’s between the young evolving issue candidate or the old one that is losing his mind. That’s the choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 28 minutes ago, Massdriver said: It’s between the young evolving issue candidate or the old one that is losing his mind. That’s the choice. Klobachar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 34 minutes ago, Massdriver said: It’s between the young evolving issue candidate or the old one that is losing his mind. That’s the choice. That's the choice if Buttigieg wins the nom. Pretty big "if" at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Klobachar? She barely has a chance at all. She'll probably be out by the time Texas votes. 1 minute ago, GeneticBlueprint said: That's the choice if Buttigieg wins the nom. Pretty big "if" at this point. I was referring to Biden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Massdriver said: I was referring to Biden. Woosh. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Massdriver said: She barely has a chance at all. She'll probably be out by the time Texas votes. I was referring to Biden. I would definitely have more confidence in Buttigieg in a national campaign over Biden, but for me, it's more not having faith in how Biden is handling any adversity in his campaign and Buttigieg not having decades of votes to pick through. It still annoys me that Democrats were so disorganized and triangulating in the early 2000s that Trump ran to the left of Hillary on Iraq and would do the same with Biden. >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 31 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: It still annoys me that Democrats were so disorganized and triangulating in the early 2000s that Trump ran to the left of Hillary on Iraq and would do the same with Biden. >_> Despite it being an outright fabrication. Besides he now has a record to run on and foreign policy is the one place he can't deflect effectively. But this is also why running a Bernie type would be effective. Everyone outside of Washington is tired of the damn wars, and he can credibly make an anti war case 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Despite it being an outright fabrication. Besides he now has a record to run on and foreign policy is the one place he can't deflect effectively. But this is also why running a Bernie type would be effective. Everyone outside of Washington is tired of the damn wars, and he can credibly make an anti war case And he makes it so easy-to-understand. One of Hillary's problems was it was hard for her to make a pitch concise and as a platform; Sanders is able to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Biden, Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Steyer, and Yang now qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Oh Jesus fuck, if Yang is the democratic candidate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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