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How the Cool Kids of the Left Turned on Elizabeth Warren

 

4 hours ago, Jose said:

 

I have never in my life seen an article frame a poll between two candidates that was within the MoE as a tie. I mean, I know it's the TheHill, but still.

I don't see in the headlines very often, but I see it phrased as "statistical dead heat" or "statistical tie" regularly in the body of articles.Other times they say that the difference is within the poll's margin of error.

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1 hour ago, Jwheel86 said:

Why is Buttigieg still taken seriously? Is there an actual path to the nomination with zero African American support, or are they thinking an Obama like swing in South Carolina after Iowa?

I bet the thinking is we have 4 candidates that are very competitive with each other and this thing may go to a convention. Buttigieg is well funded to go for the long haul, and while he won’t get an Obama surge with African Americans, he may pick up some support along the way with more name recognition and outreach. 

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Pete Buttigieg To Open Fundraisers To Press And Disclose Bundlers

 

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The presidential campaign of South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg announced Monday that it would allow members of the news media to cover future private fundraisers and would disclose the names of super donors known as “bundlers.”

 

Reporters will be permitted to cover Buttigieg’s fundraisers starting on Tuesday and the campaign will provide the names of bundlers, who solicit multiple donations from other wealthy individuals, by the end of the week, according to a statement from campaign manager Mike Schmuhl.

 

And while Buttigieg began his campaign by publicly releasing the names of his bundlers, he has not updated his public list of bundlers since April, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. (No other candidate who relies on bundlers, including Biden, has so much as begun to publicly identify them.)

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pete-buttigieg-opens-fundraisers-bundlers_n_5deeae89e4b07f6835b79911

 

He also doesn't take PAC money and doesn't take money from lobbyists. He has released tax returns going back to 2007. 

 

Edit: For clarification, he has taken money from them, but doesn't anymore. Check the huffington post article.

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14 hours ago, Jwheel86 said:

Why is Buttigieg still taken seriously? Is there an actual path to the nomination with zero African American support, or are they thinking an Obama like swing in South Carolina after Iowa?

He’s the only centrist not showing signs of senility and enmeshed in the same controversy that’s leading to Trump’s impeachment, so they’re probably that thinking yes, there’s a chance primary voters will break late for him a la John Kerry 2004 because the only other contenders pulling big numbers right now are, in their estimation, too far left.

 

But when Yang wins Iowa and NH they won’t know what hit them.:troll:

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17 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said:

He’s the only centrist

I mean, he's now a centrist, bordering on center right based on who he's chosen as comms director.

 

9 hours ago, mclumber1 said:

Aren't people still limited to $2800 in donations per candidate per election?  Does it matter if a billionaire donates the maximum vs a middle class person donating the same amount?

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14434721

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/11/2020-candidates-bundler-fundraisers-1266987

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Past presidential candidates, including John McCain, Hillary Clinton and former Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush, have voluntarily released lists of their bundlers — donors who raised big money for campaigns by tapping their networks of friends and acquaintances to donate their own money. Those fundraisers are often tapped for ambassadorships and other roles in new administrations.

Money buys access. People with a lot of money know a lot of people with a lot of money.

 

It also shows at least some commitment to reducing the role of private money (and it's all corrupting influence) in politics.

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15 minutes ago, elbobo said:

I don't understand why people are surprised that a politician from Indiana isn't a hard left candidate.

It's the heel turn from "they're going to call us socialists anyway so do the right thing, and also Medicare for all is the compromise" to whatever he is saying now that he's cashing Aetna checks

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47 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

It's the heel turn from "they're going to call us socialists anyway so do the right thing, and also Medicare for all is the compromise" to whatever he is saying now that he's cashing Aetna checks

 

Then I also don't understand that people are surprised that a young politician with zero nationwide/federal experience has "evolving" policies. 

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Just now, elbobo said:

 

Then I also don't understand that people are surprised that a young politician with zero nationwide/federal experience has "evolving" policies. 

I don't think it's a surprise, but it's a matter of "why support someone for the presidency who is trying to figure out themselves when there are people who you know what they're about and have been about for decades?" 

 

I'm not opposed to people changing their minds or being ambitious, but with such a short career and a quick change in his supposed beliefs, it's quite clear the only thing he is for is his own political advancement. It's so nakedly cynical that it's off-putting.

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25 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

I don't think it's a surprise, but it's a matter of "why support someone for the presidency who is trying to figure out themselves when there are people who you know what they're about and have been about for decades?" 

 

I'm not opposed to people changing their minds or being ambitious, but with such a short career and a quick change in his supposed beliefs, it's quite clear the only thing he is for is his own political advancement. It's so nakedly cynical that it's off-putting.

 

Adding to this point:

 

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2019/10/pete-buttigieg-has-always-been-the-mckinsey-candidate.html

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1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

I don't think it's a surprise, but it's a matter of "why support someone for the presidency who is trying to figure out themselves when there are people who you know what they're about and have been about for decades?" 

 

I'm not opposed to people changing their minds or being ambitious, but with such a short career and a quick change in his supposed beliefs, it's quite clear the only thing he is for is his own political advancement. It's so nakedly cynical that it's off-putting. 
 

 

It’s between the young evolving issue candidate or the old one that is losing his mind. That’s the choice. 

 

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2 hours ago, Massdriver said:

She barely has a chance at all. She'll probably be out by the time Texas votes.

 

I was referring to Biden.

 

I would definitely have more confidence in Buttigieg in a national campaign over Biden, but for me, it's more not having faith in how Biden is handling any adversity in his campaign and Buttigieg not having decades of votes to pick through.

 

It still annoys me that Democrats were so disorganized and triangulating in the early 2000s that Trump ran to the left of Hillary on Iraq and would do the same with Biden. >_>

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31 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

It still annoys me that Democrats were so disorganized and triangulating in the early 2000s that Trump ran to the left of Hillary on Iraq and would do the same with Biden. >_>

Despite it being an outright fabrication.

 

Besides he now has a record to run on and foreign policy is the one place he can't deflect effectively. But this is also why running a Bernie type would be effective. Everyone outside of Washington is tired of the damn wars, and he can credibly make an anti war case

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3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Despite it being an outright fabrication.

 

Besides he now has a record to run on and foreign policy is the one place he can't deflect effectively. But this is also why running a Bernie type would be effective. Everyone outside of Washington is tired of the damn wars, and he can credibly make an anti war case

 

And he makes it so easy-to-understand. One of Hillary's problems was it was hard for her to make a pitch concise and as a platform; Sanders is able to do that.

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