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elbobo Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 24 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/one-last-candidate-qualifies-for-the-november-debate/? Here are the candidates who qualified for the November debate: Joe Biden Bernie Sanders Elizabeth Warren Pete Buttigieg Kamala Harris Andrew Yang Tom Steyer Amy Klobuchar Cory Booker Tulsi Gabbard These haven't and very likely won't: Julián Castro Michael Bennet Steve Bullock John Delaney Joe Sestak Marianne Williamson Here are the candidates who have already qualified for December's: Joe Biden Bernie Sanders Elizabeth Warren Pete Buttigieg Kamala Harris Amy Klobuchar Still have time to qualify: Tulsi Gabbard Tom Steyer Andrew Yang Michael Bennet Cory Booker Steve Bullock Julián Castro John Delaney Joe Sestak Marianne Williamson And I guess Michael Bloomberg as well. how are we still having 10 person debates this deep in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted November 8, 2019 Author Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 minute ago, elbobo said: how are still having 10 person debates this deep in Tons of candidates plus many of them are qualifying despite the stricter rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted November 8, 2019 Author Share Posted November 8, 2019 how are still having 10 person debates this deep in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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b_m_b_m_b_m Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 The chattering box media class should be the second against the wall. This is the Chuck Todd's and Joe Scarborough's of the world, not actual reporters. Ok, it's mostly just Chuck Todd and Joe Scarborough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted November 8, 2019 Author Share Posted November 8, 2019 He's pretty liberal on guns and has put quite a bit of money combating extreme groups like the NRA. He's arguably done more than the leftist candidates on gun control. Since that was specified, I don't think it's a stretch to say he's one of the most left on guns unless Sanders or Warren have policies I'm unaware of that set them apart. Everything else sounds like Chuck falling in love with himself as he "analyzes." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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b_m_b_m_b_m Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Holy shit, he's worse than I thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted November 8, 2019 Author Share Posted November 8, 2019 That first one should get a lot of attention: I wanna hear him elaborate on that lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, elbobo said: quad post, wtf, delete this please You can delete it yourself, just click on the thing that says options next to edit and delete your post. Could have saved you some time since you went through and edited every one. 2 hours ago, SaysWho? said: Marianne Williamson She wasn't even at the last one. I think she just forgot to tell people she dropped out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 The fact that he is worth 50+ billion and he thinks that democrats in this primary will actually vote for him should disqualify him, anyone that bad at reading the room shouldn't be in politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 He somehow manages to be worse than Biden on marijuana. He is disqualified on age alone along with Sanders and Biden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dodger Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Bill Gates might secretly be a Trump voter but at least he isn't doing stupid shit like wasting his money on running for President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Quote Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg unveiled a plan Friday to make tuition at four-year public colleges free for families earning up to $100,000. The move is part of a package of new economic policies aimed at boosting the fortunes of middle- and working-class Americans and positioning Buttigieg as a clear alternative to more liberal candidates. While Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) have proposed making college free for everyone, Buttigieg is taking a more targeted approach of giving free tuition only to families he considers middle-class and lower. His new policy calls for reduced tuition at public universities for families earning $100,000 to $150,000 and no tuition for those below that threshold. Like several in the Democratic field, Buttigieg also proposes expanding Pell Grants to help low-income students pay for housing and fees and investing $50 billion in historically black colleges. Buttigieg’s new economic plan includes proposals for universal prekindergarten, greater college access, major expansions of affordable housing and job training, and a bigger tax credit for the working poor. He plans to fund the $2.1 trillion worth of new expenditures over the next decade by hiking taxes on the top 1 percent of earners. Buttigieg increasingly appears to be carving a policy lane that is left of former vice president Joe Biden but not nearly as far as Warren and Sanders. Nowhere is that more apparent than in Buttigieg’s college and health-care plans. ... Warren has pitched a wealth tax on Americans with more than $50 million in assets, among other new taxes on the rich. Buttigieg favors a more slimmed-down approach of taxing the capital gains of the top 1 percent every year by forcing the richest Americans to calculate how much their assets rose (or fell) each year, even if they do not sell the asset. The rich would have to pay the top income tax rate on any capital gains, according to the Buttigieg plan, a major shift from the current system, which taxes capital gains at a lower rate to encourage people to invest. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/11/08/pete-buttigieg-promises-free-college-americans-earning-under/?utm_source=reddit.com#click=https://t.co/xNDMLxtILD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 And a generation that didn't grow up in poverty will still be stuck in debt, not to mention the millions still in over $1 trillion of debt Imagine wanting to spend political capital on that half assed bullshit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 59 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: And a generation that didn't grow up in poverty will still be stuck in debt, not to mention the millions still in over $1 trillion of debt Imagine wanting to spend political capital on that half assed bullshit Wealth redistribution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jwheel86 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 5 hours ago, Massdriver said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/11/08/pete-buttigieg-promises-free-college-americans-earning-under/?utm_source=reddit.com#click=https://t.co/xNDMLxtILD Congratz Pete, you created another means tested program that'll be a bitch to administer, leave behind those from middle class yet broken homes (you'd think he'd know better being from the LGBT community where parents disown their kids), and piss people off who are right on the line. Keeping the program simple is worth the slightly extra cost (plus you don't have to create a bureaucracy solely for keeping rich kids out). I'd love to see an actual cost comparison between the two plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Jwheel86 said: Congratz Pete, you created another means tested program that'll be a bitch to administer, leave behind those from middle class yet broken homes (you'd think he'd know better being from the LGBT community where parents disown their kids), and piss people off who are right on the line. Keeping the program simple is worth the slightly extra cost (plus you don't have to create a bureaucracy solely for keeping rich kids out). I'd love to see an actual cost comparison between the two plans. Where is the evidence that keeping the program simple is worth it? If you want to argue it on principle that it should be like public schools, that’s one thing. But trying to pretend like administering means testing doesn’t work or doesn’t save lots of money is incorrect. As an example, Warren’s means tested student debt forgiveness costs 1.25 trillion over ten years vs Sanders who doesn’t means test which costs 2.2 trillion. A trillion dollars is not just slightly more money. This is a shit load of spending. Buttigieg makes Obama look like Sean Hannity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, Massdriver said: Where is the evidence that keeping the program simple is worth it? If you want to argue it on principle that it should be like public schools, that’s one thing. But trying to pretend like administering means testing doesn’t work or doesn’t save lots of money is incorrect. As an example, Warren’s means tested student debt forgiveness costs 1.25 trillion over ten years vs Sanders who doesn’t means test which costs 2.2 trillion. A trillion dollars is not just slightly more money. This is a shit load of spending. Buttigieg makes Obama look like Sean Hannity. Means tested programs fail to imagine every possible situation a family can be in and inevitably leave benefit people the program was designed to help, especially those who aren't good at navigating complicated bureaucracy (which tend to be the ones in most need). Let's say you have a student who's parents make good money but disown their kid because he's gay and therefore refuse to fund his college, how do you come up with a policy that's not going to punish him for having shitty parents. I had a friend in college who hadn't seen her father in years, but his income blocked her ability to get financial aide. How do you prevent an exception from being exploited by those making $151k and are now staring at a $50k tuition bill? Now you've got to come up with a method to combat that. It's the same endless cycle of fighting welfare fraud, which every time hurts those who really need it. I've spent the last 3 weeks trying to arrange my new Full Time job's compensation and benefits around 4 different disability programs, each of which has strict means testing (SSI, Medicaid, Medicaid Waiver, Department of Voc Rehab) but have programs to get around those rules which are also means tested with strict rules (SSI 1619B, Voc Rehab economic offset, ABLE Account, Special Needs Trust). My point is, anytime we create a government program that excludes X, we need to think about are the enforcement mechanisms worth the harm you're going to cause to your target population. Buttigieg's program excludes the top 10% of earners, all things being equal with admissions that should only cost the program 10% more. That cost increase is absolutely worth not having a bureaucracy which erode's people's faith in government, especially the middle class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 22 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Means tested programs fail to imagine every possible situation a family can be in and inevitably leave benefit people the program was designed to help, especially those who aren't good at navigating complicated bureaucracy (which tend to be the ones in most need). Let's say you have a student who's parents make good money but disown their kid because he's gay and therefore refuse to fund his college, how do you come up with a policy that's not going to punish him for having shitty parents. I had a friend in college who hadn't seen her father in years, but his income blocked her ability to get financial aide. How do you prevent an exception from being exploited by those making $151k and are now staring at a $50k tuition bill? Now you've got to come up with a method to combat that. It's the same endless cycle of fighting welfare fraud, which every time hurts those who really need it. I've spent the last 3 weeks trying to arrange my new Full Time job's compensation and benefits around 4 different disability programs, each of which has strict means testing (SSI, Medicaid, Medicaid Waiver, Department of Voc Rehab) but have programs to get around those rules which are also means tested with strict rules (SSI 1619B, Voc Rehab economic offset, ABLE Account, Special Needs Trust). My point is, anytime we create a government program that excludes X, we need to think about are the enforcement mechanisms worth the harm you're going to cause to your target population. Buttigieg's program excludes the top 10% of earners, all things being equal with admissions that should only cost the program 10% more. That cost increase is absolutely worth not having a bureaucracy which erode's people's faith in government, especially the middle class. Don't forget it's punishing the child for the sins of the parent. Not to mention his plan only covers tuition which is maybe a third of the actual cost of going to college (yes the Pell grants get expanded for the poor but the middle class just gets fuck all and more debt) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Do it you coward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RedSoxFan9 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 8 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Do it you coward the funniest outcome would be Fox News turning into conservative CNN and losing the diehards. Then a charismatic person (Trump) starts Fox News successor that is even crazier than Fox News. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 28 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: the funniest outcome would be Fox News turning into conservative CNN and losing the diehards. Then a charismatic person (Trump) starts Fox News successor that is even crazier than Fox News. That wouldn't have the veneer of legitimacy that FNC still has, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, RedSoxFan9 said: the funniest outcome would be Fox News turning into conservative CNN and losing the diehards. Then a charismatic person (Trump) starts Fox News successor that is even crazier than Fox News. Yeah, except like healthcare, Trump has no idea how hard actually getting a channel on cable providers is. He can just ask Vince McMahon, who once announced a WWE channel was coming in 2012 and never got it off the ground, then went the Netflix route in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Jeff Sessions basically begs for Trump's mercy in his first Senate adhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2019/11/09/jeff-sessions-basically-begs-trump-mercy-his-first-senate-ad/?tid=sm_fb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SaysWho? Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 Klobuchar goes after Buttigieg: https://www.newsweek.com/amy-klobuchar-claims-pete-buttigieg-popularity-highlights-sexism-1470903 Quote Klobuchar has positioned herself in the crowded Democratic primary field to be an alternative moderate candidate to former Vice President Joe Biden, the front-runner according to most recent polls. Buttigieg has similarly also cast himself as a pragmatic alternative to Biden and progressive front-runners, Senators Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, and is currently polling higher than the Minnesota Democrat. Klobuchar on Sunday went on to tell CNN host Jake Tapper that she is more qualified than Buttigieg because unlike him, she has "actually won in a statewide race." "I'm the one from the Midwest that's actually won in a statewide race over and over again," she said. "Those are the kind of voters I've won and that's not true of Mayor Pete." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 where is the lie though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Anathema- said: where is the lie though There isn't. This is new for her, though, since she was primarily going after Sanders/Warren before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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