RedSoxFan9 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 the Atlantic is trash part 875889 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: the Atlantic is trash part 875889 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 I mean, the primary system is dumb in many ways (but smart in others). It's bad because it lets small rural states have too much influence on the candidates. It's good I guess in that it theoretically lets smaller candidates build momentum. But personally I think an in-party national vote would be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 47 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I mean, the primary system is dumb in many ways (but smart in others). It's bad because it lets small rural states have too much influence on the candidates. It's good I guess in that it theoretically lets smaller candidates build momentum. But personally I think an in-party national vote would be better. It would be better if the early states were not just rural and white, but also significantly urban/suburban and diverse. So maybe have 2-3 early states (IA, SC, and NV) go all at once but good luck getting that to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 9 hours ago, thewhyteboar said: They're always "I'd pay more but..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: They're always "I'd pay more but..." "I'd pay more but not a ridiculous amount that nobody is proposing even though we're talking about specific people and plans." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share Posted November 7, 2019 Wall Street no likey Warren Quote For months, it has been a behind closed-doors, off-the-record conversation. Bankers and money managers grumbling that a President Elizabeth Warren would be bad for business. Her wealth tax is misguided. She doesn't understand the American Dream, and she is "vilifying success." More recently, bankers and money men are saying it out loud. Tuesday in an interview on CNBC, JP Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon said, "[Warren] uses some pretty harsh words, you know, some would say vilifies successful people. I don't like vilifying anybody. I think we should applaud successful people." Quote Among the first to go public, billionaire money manager Leon Cooperman, who is now in a public spat on Twitter with the Massachusetts senator. He sparked a mini "s-storm" in money circles when he said this to Politico, predicting a 25% market decline if she is elected. "What is wrong with billionaires? You can become a billionaire by developing products and services that people will pay for," he said. "I believe in a progressive income tax and the rich paying more. But this is the f***ing American dream she is sh***ing on." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 there might even be a famous book about this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 another reminder that Bill Gates is scum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 hour ago, RedSoxFan9 said: another reminder that Bill Gates is scum You don’t get to his level without counting every bean, and if someone is talking about taking 94% of those beans (using his numbers), you’d definitely check your beans twice. When guys like him and Buffet talk about they should pay more in taxes, I don’t believe them, the IRS takes donations, so they are free to do so. I’d prefer they do that, because anything tax law that starts at the top will trickle down to the rest with greater impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PaladinSolo Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Its really hard to defend rich people anymore, 100 billion and you still have more money left over than this entire board will make in its lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 2 hours ago, RedSoxFan9 said: there might even be a famous book about this Ah, you like him now huh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Commodore D said: You don’t get to his level without counting every bean, and if someone is talking about taking 94% of those beans (using his numbers), you’d definitely check your beans twice. When guys like him and Buffet talk about they should pay more in taxes, I don’t believe them, the IRS takes donations, so they are free to do so. I’d prefer they do that, because anything tax law that starts at the top will trickle down to the rest with greater impact. Who the hell is talking about taking 94% of his wealth? That's absurd and he knows it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said: Who the hell is talking about taking 94% of his wealth? People who make bad faith arguments, like the guy you're quoting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Just now, CitizenVectron said: Who the hell is talking about taking 94% of his wealth? That's absurd and he knows it. Which is why it's also somewhat absurd for Sanders to say "Say he was taxed $100 billion? What's the big deal?" It's true, Bill Gates would still have enough money to own private islands if he paid $100 billion in taxes, but you're still talking about an effective tax rate of 94%. (since Gates's net worth is 106 billion, I believe) Not even the Nordic countries have tax rates that high--Finland and Sweden's top marginal tax rates get close to 60% at max. (and those aren't wealth taxes) You can be for highly progressive taxes and a much more redistributive state--and even support a wealth tax--and still agree taxing away 94% of someone's net worth is excessive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 We could even double Warren's wealth tax and Bill Gates has so much money his bank account will still go up on simple investment alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, Anathema- said: We could even double Warren's wealth tax and Bill Gates has so much money his bank account will still go up on simple investment alone. I don’t think there are any bank accounts generating interest rates in excess of the average inflation rate. But guy still ain’t at any risk of no longer being so wealthy he can afford whatever he wants even if he has “only” 6 billion lying around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 I have a feeling Bill Gates' money gets better treatment at the bank than the average joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 It's also not in a savings account Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Bloomberg filed for the Alabama primary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, Massdriver said: Bloomberg filed for the Alabama primary. Link to tweet to story. Noooooooo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 So he will running Dem primary, act as a spoiler for Biden, and then run in the general as an independent against Warren (or Sanders) and Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Bloomberg’s existence is a great argument for a wealth tax 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Remarkableriots Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-debate/citing-labor-dispute-democrats-to-find-new-site-for-december-debate-idUSKBN1XG2UW Quote The Democratic Party will no longer hold its December presidential debate at the University of California, Los Angeles, party officials said on Wednesday, siding with a union locked in a labor dispute with the school’s administration. Organized labor is a key constituency for the left-leaning party as it seeks to defeat Republican President Donald Trump in the November 2020 presidential election. “In response to concerns raised by the local organized labor community in Los Angeles, we have asked our media partners to seek an alternative site for the December debate,” Democratic National Committee senior adviser Mary Beth Cahill said in an emailed statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 4 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: Who the hell is talking about taking 94% of his wealth? That's absurd and he knows it. Gates was joking according to the same guy our resident communist quoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 5 hours ago, Anathema- said: People who make bad faith arguments, like the guy you're quoting. I didn't make the argument, Mr. Gates did (probably with a wink). Also, my arguments are always made in good faith, and on the rare occasion they are ill informed, I at least admit the short coming. 6 hours ago, PaladinSolo said: Its really hard to defend rich people anymore, 100 billion and you still have more money left over than this entire board will make in its lifetime. Man don't undersell the board, there is potential here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Massdriver said: Gates was joking according to the same guy our resident communist quoted. Haha it was just a joke bro!! I love taxes everyone! No one loves taxes more than me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted November 8, 2019 Author Share Posted November 8, 2019 https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/one-last-candidate-qualifies-for-the-november-debate/? Here are the candidates who qualified for the November debate: Joe Biden Bernie Sanders Elizabeth Warren Pete Buttigieg Kamala Harris Andrew Yang Tom Steyer Amy Klobuchar Cory Booker Tulsi Gabbard These haven't and very likely won't: Julián Castro Michael Bennet Steve Bullock John Delaney Joe Sestak Marianne Williamson Here are the candidates who have already qualified for December's: Joe Biden Bernie Sanders Elizabeth Warren Pete Buttigieg Kamala Harris Amy Klobuchar Still have time to qualify: Tulsi Gabbard Tom Steyer Andrew Yang Michael Bennet Cory Booker Steve Bullock Julián Castro John Delaney Joe Sestak Marianne Williamson And I guess Michael Bloomberg as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 9 hours ago, SilentWorld said: Haha it was just a joke bro!! I love taxes everyone! No one loves taxes more than me! haha just a prank! one of the world’s richest men isn’t mad about a wealth tax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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