mclumber1 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I would assume that Iowa democrats are more centrist than leftists. If Buttigieg can make a convincing argument that his centrist approach is better for Iowans than Warren's leftism, I could see him eeking out a victory during the caucus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Anathema- Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 2 hours ago, mclumber1 said: I would assume that Iowa democrats are more centrist than leftists. If Buttigieg can make a convincing argument that his centrist approach is better for Iowans than Warren's leftism, I could see him eeking out a victory during the caucus. He won't win unless Biden somehow completely collapses and Warren fails to pick up the pieces. He needs at least two huge failures to have anything close to a real shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Anathema- said: He won't win unless Biden somehow completely collapses and Warren fails to pick up the pieces. He needs at least two huge failures to have anything close to a real shot. So you're saying there is a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 18 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: So you're saying there is a chance Yes but despite the polling I think Harris even has a better shot. Pete winning Iowa and New Hampshire won't translate to wins in the south but Warren might and Harris definitely would. Pete might be the only candidate who would almost certainly still lose even after winning the first two states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 28 minutes ago, Anathema- said: Yes but despite the polling I think Harris even has a better shot. Pete winning Iowa and New Hampshire won't translate to wins in the south but Warren might and Harris definitely would. Pete might be the only candidate who would almost certainly still lose even after winning the first two states. I think he's the one who could lose 2020 because he will not get the support that a Democrat needs from the black community because of his time as South bend mayor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 32 minutes ago, Anathema- said: Yes but despite the polling I think Harris even has a better shot. Pete winning Iowa and New Hampshire won't translate to wins in the south but Warren might and Harris definitely would. Pete might be the only candidate who would almost certainly still lose even after winning the first two states. hes just not a good candidate. and while it shouldnt matter, him being gay will absolutel bring out a large GOP turn out against him, and even push a lot of centrist dems away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, TheGreatGamble said: hes just not a good candidate. and while it shouldnt matter, him being gay will absolutel bring out a large GOP turn out against him, and even push a lot of centrist dems away. Quote Christina Cauterucci, a writer at Slate, contends that because Buttigieg looks straight, is well-dressed, well-spoken, and has no overt flamboyance, he is unable to empathize with the hurdles other LGBT community members have to face. Jacob Bacharach of The Outline went a step further and demanded that Buttigieg is actually bad for the LGBT community. Complaining, once again, that Buttigieg is white, educated, and boring, his main argument posits Buttigieg is far too conservative to adequately represent LGBT Americans. Aside from the common list of minority statuses Buttigieg lacks, Bacharach recoils at the idea of what Buttigieg and his husband portray to America—a clean, sexually monogamous, polite, financially secure, heteronormative stereotype. He seems uneasy that Buttigieg is not actively on the gay hook-up app Grindr, which he finds suspicious and offputting. https://thefederalist.com/2019/05/24/lgtb-people-rage-pete-buttigieg-not-gay-enough/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 22 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I think he's the one who could lose 2020 because he will not get the support that a Democrat needs from the black community because of his time as South bend mayor How much of the black vote did he get in his last mayoral election? And what is his current approval rating among black people in South Bend compared to other voters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 23 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: How much of the black vote did he get in his last mayoral election? And what is his current approval rating among black people in South Bend compared to other voters? No one does polling in South bend, but here is an article about Mayo's democratic primary in 2015 before the police shooting there. In summary: not great in majority black precincts. He got 80% of the votes in the general because it's a fucking city, no one votes for Republicans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Who is the best center left candidate the Dems could nominate if it wasn’t Buttigieg ? It’s not exactly the best set of choices. Biden is old and is incoherent a lot of the time and he isn’t raising much money for his support level. No one else is raising money to be a serious threat in the primary, much less to Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Remarkableriots said: https://thefederalist.com/2019/05/24/lgtb-people-rage-pete-buttigieg-not-gay-enough/ Just because he's not gay enough for the LBGT community, doesn't mean he'll be a vote getter in the straight community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Massdriver said: Who is the best center left candidate the Dems could nominate if it wasn’t Buttigieg ? It’s not exactly the best set of choices. Biden is old and is incoherent a lot of the time and he isn’t raising much money for his support level. No one else is raising money to be a serious threat in the primary, much less to Trump. HRC, but that boat has sailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jose said: HRC, but that boat has sailed. I would be fine with her making an entrance at this point. Biden is a joke. She has baggage of her own though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 How much you want to met his support for the public option vanishes when Medicare for All is taken off the table? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 3 hours ago, TheGreatGamble said: Just because he's not gay enough for the LBGT community, doesn't mean he'll be a vote getter in the straight community. Doesn't look like he will do well with either communities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thewhyteboar Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Good. Fuck her. Her next job will be hosting a Fox News show. If she runs 3rd party, wouldn't that hurt Trump? Trump did very well with the pathetic lonely online guy demographic (like DVD). Seems like Tulsi would siphon voters from that group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: like DVD) DVD was illegally voting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 If he could have voted, it would have been for Trump! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 6 hours ago, Massdriver said: Who is the best center left candidate the Dems could nominate if it wasn’t Buttigieg ? Bloomberg. I agree with Judge Judy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 44 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: Good. Fuck her. Her next job will be hosting a Fox News show. If she runs 3rd party, wouldn't that hurt Trump? Trump did very well with the pathetic lonely online guy demographic (like DVD). Seems like Tulsi would siphon voters from that group. I'm not watching a 7 minute video. What did she announce? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: I'm not watching a 7 minute video. What did she announce? She's not running for her congressional seat. So possibly gearing up for a 3rd party run? Or a job with the right-wing grift machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 hours ago, thewhyteboar said: She's not running for her congressional seat. So possibly gearing up for a 3rd party run? Or a job with the right-wing grift machine. She's not even fucking close to right wing. You guys are unbelievable. The left does what it does best, eats its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 If Tulsi cared about left-wing causes, then she wouldn't be appearing almost nightly on the Fox News White Power Hour. So either she is sympathetic to that, or all she cares about is making her pile of money. Either way, good riddance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 hour ago, TheGreatGamble said: She's not even fucking close to right wing. You guys are unbelievable. The left does what it does best, eats its own. She goes on Tucker Carlson’s show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 She wasn't going to get re-elected for her seat anyways, lol. As for a 3rd party run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 You can see that here on this very board, who the tulsi stans are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 3 hours ago, TheGreatGamble said: She's not even fucking close to right wing. You guys are unbelievable. The left does what it does best, eats its own. The left is bad at that. The right, however, is fantastic at eating their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 She's gonna make a fuck ton of money on Fox news as "Tulsi Gabbard, former Democratic congresswoman and presidential candidate" She will continue to go on Fox and do the Republican talking points on impeachment, how the primary was rigged, etc. She's got to get credibility with the "we were wronged by the democrat party" segment so I'm guessing she leaves the party around the democratic convention. Besides, she's already a big fan of Modi so her jumping to another right wing authoritarian wannabe wouldn't be too shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Odds of Tulsi pulling a Zell Miller? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 We're doomed again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 hours ago, thewhyteboar said: Odds of Tulsi pulling a Zell Miller? You mean going full right-wing after putting "country over party?" I guess it could happen! I'll admit: I didn't get how she would talk about the party "leaving her" and a future role on Fox when some were saying this when she first entered the race, but I'll be damned; it's playing out exactly like that, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 How many donors do Biden, booti, and Harris have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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