CastlevaniaNut18 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 One of my so-called moderate friends on FB said today Democrats don't have a snowballs chance in hell of beating Trump...except maybe with Tulsi or Yang because they're the only sane ones. I want to preserve his statement for posterity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 37 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Thank goodness they feel they can do this only when not running for reelection. Like, what's the difference between not running for reelection and losing in a primary, which would have the same outcome as declining to run? There isn't a difference in the outcome, but I imagine that running a campaign and being in Trump's crosshairs/shunned by the rest of the GOP is stressful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/rep-tulsi-gabbard-gets-2020-endorsement-from-david-duke-2019-10-19 Not racist. But #1 racist is her #1 fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 I had a coworker a week ago tell me he though Tulsi had the best chance at being the first female president. I totally WTF and called him on that. He is pretty liberal but also big on memes. So the latest part on bots signal boosting her makes more sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 57 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/rep-tulsi-gabbard-gets-2020-endorsement-from-david-duke-2019-10-19 Not racist. But #1 racist is her #1 fan. Duke’s go to move is to smear people with his endorsement and people fall for it every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Tulsi's polling is nowhere. People are idiots if they think it's gonna be Tulsi in any real way (and it shouldn't be her anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 wow he should drop out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: wow he should drop out He's literally in the top 3 candidates. The narrative the right and centrists and corporatists want to push is hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 15 hours ago, RedSoxFan9 said: wow he should drop out They weren't there to see him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Ernst didn't even hit a million while a dem opponent in a contested primary raised 1.1 million with a ban on corporate PAC donations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 16 hours ago, RedSoxFan9 said: Duke’s go to move is to smear people with his endorsement and people fall for it every time Like who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 42 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Buttigieg closing in on Warren/Biden. Quote The poll also found that Buttigieg holds a narrow lead over Warren and Biden among debate-watchers, with 19 percent support compared to 17 percent for each of them, according to the poll. Seems he’s capitalizing on the collapse of Biden like I thought he might; which is good, as he makes much more sense as the centrist choice over Biden. Also looks like the attacks on Warren’s vague answer to how she’d finance M4A were pretty effective. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 28 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: And it's Rahm Emanuel saying it's a winner with former centrist Senator Heitkamp nodding her head in agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Looks like holding a klan rally in Minnesota sure helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: Buttigieg closing in on Warren/Biden. Seems he’s capitalizing on the collapse of Biden like I thought he might; which is good, as he makes much more sense as the centrist choice over Biden. Also looks like the attacks on Warren’s vague answer to how she’d finance M4A were pretty effective. Yep. He's getting traction in white primary states, but he still has tons of work to do in more diverse states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 Julián Castro says he'll drop out unless he raises $800,000 by end of month Quote On Monday, however, Rupert said that the campaign's latest plea was genuine. "Unfortunately, we do not see a path to victory that doesn't include making the November debate stage—and without a significant uptick in our fundraising, we cannot make that debate," she said. Castro hinted at his polling and financial struggles at a campaign stop in Las Vegas on Saturday, where he begged supporters to do all that they can to get him on the debate stage in November. "I need your help it's over the next three weeks to talk to your family members to your friends and spread the word," Castro said. Castro isn't the first candidate to say he'll drop out unless supporters pony up more cash. In September, Senator Cory Booker told supporters he needed to raise $1.7 million dollars over a span of ten days to stay in the race. The gambit worked, with Booker raising more than his target sum in what his campaign said was his strongest 10-day fundraising stretch since entering the race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: Buttigieg closing in on Warren/Biden. Seems he’s capitalizing on the collapse of Biden like I thought he might; which is good, as he makes much more sense as the centrist choice over Biden. Also looks like the attacks on Warren’s vague answer to how she’d finance M4A were pretty effective. Biden collapses, Buttigieg gets killed in South Carolina and other minority heavy states, Warren looked weak under fire, everyone else goes broke except Bernie. Bernie's got a path. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 What many of you don't want to hear is Bernie has a hard cap over his head. He will never get 60% of the Democratic Party behind him. I don't want Warren as the nominee, but in fairness to her, she didn't look weak because of her performance at the debate. She looked weak because she doesn't have a plan to finance her healthcare policy. She has vowed to fix that, so I imagine she will look stronger next time that attack comes up. Then it's just a matter of selling a tax hike on the middle class to finance M4A while abolishing all private insurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Jwheel86 said: Biden collapses, Buttigieg gets killed in South Carolina and other minority heavy states, Warren looked weak under fire, everyone else goes broke except Bernie. Bernie's got a path. Warren won the last debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 54 minutes ago, Massdriver said: What many of you don't want to hear is Bernie has a hard cap over his head. He will never get 60% of the Democratic Party behind him. Some, maybe. Many? Hardly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 👑 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Being an asset doesn't only mean intentionally working for the Russians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 16 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: 👑 Uh Michael Flynn says what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/20/2019 at 11:00 AM, Anathema- said: Like who? Still waiting on an answer to this one too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Jwheel86 said: Biden collapses, Buttigieg gets killed in South Carolina and other minority heavy states, Warren looked weak under fire, everyone else goes broke except Bernie. Bernie's got a path. Bernie's path is the best long term strategy for the party: a diverse working class coalition built from the ground up based on social, economic, and environmental justice. And long term, it's clear that taking donations from the owners of capital while supporting half-assed measures to materially improve the lives of workers is a balance that is failing. I don't think the party is there yet and I don't know who takes up the mantle after Bernie. Also, 71% of democrats support M4A, including a majority of independents. (A "public option" polls higher but it's about as close to a meaningless term as is "universal healthcare") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I would be curious to hear from the Bernie supporters here why they support Bernie over Warren at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 26 minutes ago, Massdriver said: I would be curious to hear from the Bernie supporters here why they support Bernie over Warren at this point. This is a better take than what you'd probably get here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, Massdriver said: I would be curious to hear from the Bernie supporters here why they support Bernie over Warren at this point. I prefer Warren. One of my very good friends prefers Bernie. His arguments usually revolve around him holding his positions for longer or she's not far enough left. As an example, he says that Warren isn't far enough to the left because she only wants to relieve $50k of your student debt while Sanders wants to relieve all of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: This is a better take than what you'd probably get here Thanks for the link. I read it all. I would still be curious to hear it in your own words and everyone else's rather than just pasting a url though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I'm fine with either, but Sanders has more bona fides regarding the movement for a more social democracy. On Warren's side, I do think Current Affairs is reasonable about doubts about her adherence to the most strict and beneficial social policies like medicare for all. The "danger" with Warren is that she may compromise positions to get a policy that "works." Which is legitimate and it's really a question of how well the President can steer the creation of legislation in Congress. And because of that, I think it's a big mark against Sanders because he just can't do that. He can build people movements, but I don't know if he can effectively administer a bureaucracy. And that's even before I get into the foreign policy issues. Back to the initial point though, Warren knows how the machine works (and so does Sanders) but Warren seems more keen on engaging with it and tinkering to get some outcome that may not be ideal, but could be good. Sanders wants a great outcome. But back to why Sanders is good, I do believe that Sanders is effective at mobilizing and exciting people about an Idea and a Goal. That's needed rather than Warren reaching out with plans that seem like they're good ideas. In reality though, the work Bernie is doing building a movement is being done on a more impactful scale by people like Stacey Abrams. People on the ground floor of expanding voting access are needed if the country can be changed. We need that level of organization and focus on those issues at the state level in all 50 states (plus DC and Puerto Rico). We need movement-builders at the head of the party that ignite people and get them really excited and engaged in the political processes. And we need forces in the legislature that will stop at nothing to do what is right and support the movement. Basically, Abrams as DNC Chair, Bernie as President, and The Squad + Warren/Sanders/equivalent in the House/Senate leadership roles would probably lead to some significant change in America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Bernie's path is the best long term strategy for the party: a diverse working class coalition built from the ground up based on social, economic, and environmental justice. And long term, it's clear that taking donations from the owners of capital while supporting half-assed measures to materially improve the lives of workers is a balance that is failing. I don't think the party is there yet and I don't know who takes up the mantle after Bernie. Also, 71% of democrats support M4A, including a majority of independents. (A "public option" polls higher but it's about as close to a meaningless term as is "universal healthcare") But I’m wondering if that’s not to some degree also kind of a ‘rorschach’ term; like if the specifics were made clearer, and middle-to-upper-middle suburban democrats realized they’d be losing their nice private healthcare plans under M4A, would support for it drop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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