SaysWho? Posted June 13, 2019 Author Share Posted June 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, Chris- said: Why bother with this conversation? RedSoxFan doesn't even argue against the notion that Bernie supporters are assholes, he just tries to rationalize it. Though strangely, he can't handle the same "don't be nice" attitude when applied to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SaysWho? Posted June 13, 2019 Author Share Posted June 13, 2019 A significant minority of Republican voters favors “progressive” economic policies typically associated with Democrats, according to new polling done by the Democracy Fund Voter Study Group. Many of these Republicans voted for President Trump in 2016, but they’re less inclined than traditional Republicans to support Trump in 2020. https://www.voterstudygroup.org/publication/on-the-money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 36 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: A significant minority of Republican voters favors “progressive” economic policies typically associated with Democrats, according to new polling done by the Democracy Fund Voter Study Group. Many of these Republicans voted for President Trump in 2016, but they’re less inclined than traditional Republicans to support Trump in 2020. https://www.voterstudygroup.org/publication/on-the-money Nah. Trump will tell the blacks to stand during the anthem and they'll all come home to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: Nah. Trump will tell the blacks to stand during the anthem and they'll all come home to him. And Democrats literally lynch children fresh from the womb so they'll have no choice but to vote Republican Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Glad to see Warren currently surging in some polls. But nothing really matters I think until at least the debates. This is going to be a long primary season people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 19 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: You're right, it's about image. And his supporters look like assholes, which makes him look bad, making his image worse. This makes him less appealing. It's like how Obama had more appeal than Clinton even though she had more experience. Politics isn't about ideas (if it was, technocrats would be President), it's about getting elected. Being mean can certainly work, but not if you're running on a "let's help people" campaign. I also don’t think most people really care if Bernie supporters are assholes or not. Some people, especially on this board, need something to attack Bernie with because what he stands for is good and they don’t want to admit they oppose it. It all boils down to liberals not being able to handle criticism from the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Nothing is giving me more pleasure than watching Bernie go down in flames again. If Warren is the one that finishes him off, I'll take it. She isn't even close to my first choice, but it's just great to see Democrats rejecting the nutcase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 hour ago, RedSoxFan9 said: I also don’t think most people really care if Bernie supporters are assholes or not. Some people, especially on this board, need something to attack Bernie with because what he stands for is good and they don’t want to admit they oppose it. It all boils down to liberals not being able to handle criticism from the left. I support him and I hate the zealousness of his supporters. I like Warren better though, which makes me a nazi liberal in many of their eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 hours ago, RedSoxFan9 said: I also don’t think most people really care if Bernie supporters are assholes or not. Some people, especially on this board, need something to attack Bernie with because what he stands for is good and they don’t want to admit they oppose it. It all boils down to liberals not being able to handle criticism from the left. This is seriously in, "they hate our freedoms," territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 I hate our freedoms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 34 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I support him and I hate the zealousness of his supporters. I like Warren better though, which makes me a nazi liberal in many of their eyes. Same. I like his policies. I like his consistency. But Warren is very much the same in terms of policy and I like her delivery better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 I prefer Warren because I think she is a more effective communicator. She is really good at selling her policies without being condescending or appearing like she is talking down to anyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 hours ago, thewhyteboar said: I prefer Warren because I think she is a more effective communicator. She is really good at selling her policies without being condescending or appearing like she is talking down to anyone. But Bernie called dibs on those policies, he said them first 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: But Bernie called dibs on those policies, he said them first Shit. I bet he called "shotgun" too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 I think we can all agree that either Bernie or Warren would make a great president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Just now, SilentWorld said: I think we can all agree that either Bernie or Warren would make a great president. Absolutely. I just feel Warren has a better chance of winning and helping Dems down-ballot. Bernie seems like he has reached his ceiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 list of the first debate participants is out Those candidates are: Former Vice President Joe Biden Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg California Sen. Kamala Harris Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren Former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke Businessman Andrew Yang New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard Washington Gov. Jay Inslee Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar Author Marianne Williamson New York Mayor Bill de Blasio Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet Former Maryland Rep. John Delaney New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand Former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan California Rep. Eric Swalwell how in the world are they going to give 20 people equal time is beyond me, if they don't there will be nonstop screams of bias and the fix is in. I do not envy the moderator in this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, elbobo said: list of the first debate participants is out Those candidates are: Former Vice President Joe Biden Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg California Sen. Kamala Harris Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren Former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke Businessman Andrew Yang New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard Washington Gov. Jay Inslee Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar Author Marianne Williamson New York Mayor Bill de Blasio Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet Former Maryland Rep. John Delaney New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand Former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan California Rep. Eric Swalwell how in the world are they going to give 20 people equal time is beyond me, if they don't there will be nonstop screams of bias and the fix is in. I do not envy the moderator in this one. Only 10 will be on stage at once, most of these candidates probably end up in senate bids using funds they gained from this and know hey have no shot in hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 14, 2019 Author Share Posted June 14, 2019 8 hours ago, SilentWorld said: I think we can all agree that either Bernie or Warren would make a great president. I do. I don't even care if Bernie individually doesn't get traction with all he's doing; if he makes progressive policies more understandable so people aren't scared when they hear about "guvment," if he continues to point out corporate socialism supported by people who scream about it the most, then I'm happy. My concern with him is all this time, he doesn't really know how to get into detail with his policies; he just talks about them in more generalized terms. Meanwhile, others have done the heavy lifting. Reminds me of some of his vocal supporters, honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 8 hours ago, SilentWorld said: I think we can all agree that either Bernie or Warren would make a great president. Eh. While I can’t imagine him being much worse than our current president, my biggest problem with Bernie is that he strikes me as an ideologue—that, unlike Warren, he hasn’t thought through how to actually implement his policies. Whenever he’s been pressed on the details he hasn’t been able to produce much that’s concrete. (Or rooted in reality) Ideologues tend to make bad or at least subpar presidents, even when many of their ideals are, broadly speaking, on ‘the right side of history.’ (Think about Wilson’s foreign policy, for example) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 9 hours ago, SilentWorld said: I think we can all agree that either Bernie or Warren would make a great president. Absolutely not. There never was, is, or ever will be such a thing as a "great" president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Absolutely not. There never was, is, or ever will be such a thing as a "great" president. WRONG! @SFLUFAN would be the first and only great president! He would send most of the politicians to the ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Absolutely not. There never was, is, or ever will be such a thing as a "great" president. Even one who would manage to convert the US into a ruthlessly efficient, enlightened fascist autocracy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Absolutely not. There never was, is, or ever will be such a thing as a "great" president. Clearly you forgot about these guys: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 22 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Absolutely not. There never was, is, or ever will be such a thing as a "great" president. Your boy Truman dropped two on Japan and you still don't consider him great, smh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Just now, Chris- said: Your boy Truman dropped two on Japan and you still don't consider him great, smh. He has said before two weren't enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Marianne Williamson is going to dominate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 12 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: But Bernie called dibs on those policies, he said them first she can feel free to copy his healthcare policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Here are the lineups for the debates: Night One: June 26 Cory Booker, senator from New Jersey Julián Castro, former housing secretary Bill de Blasio, mayor of New York John Delaney, former representative from Maryland Tulsi Gabbard, representative from Hawaii Jay Inslee, governor of Washington Amy Klobuchar, senator from Minnesota Beto O’Rourke, former representative from Texas Tim Ryan, representative from Ohio Elizabeth Warren, senator from Massachusetts Night Two: June 27 Michael Bennet, senator from Colorado Joseph R. Biden Jr., former vice president Pete Buttigieg, mayor of South Bend, Ind. Kirsten Gillibrand, senator from New York Kamala Harris, senator from California John Hickenlooper, former governor of Colorado Bernie Sanders, senator from Vermont Eric Swalwell, representative from California Marianne Williamson, self-help author Andrew Yang, former tech executive Kind of annoying that Warren is separated from the rest of the top 5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Why is de Blasio in the debates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 14, 2019 Author Share Posted June 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, TwinIon said: Here are the lineups for the debates: Night One: June 26 Cory Booker, senator from New Jersey Julián Castro, former housing secretary Bill de Blasio, mayor of New York John Delaney, former representative from Maryland Tulsi Gabbard, representative from Hawaii Jay Inslee, governor of Washington Amy Klobuchar, senator from Minnesota Beto O’Rourke, former representative from Texas Tim Ryan, representative from Ohio Elizabeth Warren, senator from Massachusetts Night Two: June 27 Michael Bennet, senator from Colorado Joseph R. Biden Jr., former vice president Pete Buttigieg, mayor of South Bend, Ind. Kirsten Gillibrand, senator from New York Kamala Harris, senator from California John Hickenlooper, former governor of Colorado Bernie Sanders, senator from Vermont Eric Swalwell, representative from California Marianne Williamson, self-help author Andrew Yang, former tech executive Kind of annoying that Warren is separated from the rest of the top 5. fyi, your link is to WaPo's home website. Second night is definitely more stacked, though Beto/Booker/de Blasio are big names even if they aren't polling like Buttigieg/Biden/Sanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 I'm really glad inslee made the debates. Night two is going to be full of the crazies. Yang, Williamson, Biden. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I'm really glad inslee made the debates. Night two is going to be full of the crazies. Yang, Williamson, Biden. Lol How dare you call Diamond Joe a crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: fyi, your link is to WaPo's home website. Second night is definitely more stacked, though Beto/Booker/de Blasio are big names even if they aren't polling like Buttigieg/Biden/Sanders. Odd, since I got it from the Times. I agree it's not completely a kids table, but I'm also not too worried about Warren standing out until the field narrows a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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