b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Both sides (are garbage) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 3 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: The personal wealth of a politician is irrelevant unless it was gotten in less than ethical or in an illegal manner. Of course there are questions about his and his wife's finances after his first Senate run which is by pure coincidence just outside of the ten year release (after delaying by almost four years). Total coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Tax returns also downplay income and assets, sooooooo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 What in the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: Is he saying he's planning on riding Trump into battle??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 It’s a mystery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SilentWorld Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 elizabeth warren is such a babe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 too bad she's not like, 25 years younger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 7 hours ago, SilentWorld said: too bad she's not like, 25 years younger the left's gipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Greatoneshere Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 18 hours ago, Chris- said: Does that matter? I pay a lot of attention to leftist-oriented publications (Splinter, Jacobin, etc.) and organizations (like the local DSA chapter). The rhetoric expressed is always that wealth and capitalism are unequivocally bad; whether you are talking about $2 million, $20 million, or $200 million, that rhetoric is incompatible with the notion that someone can make that much money in one year without any ethical misgivings. To be fair their heart is in the right place - they are just massively over-correcting because wealth has, almost synonymously become associated with being bad because, generally speaking, wealthy people have shown they are bad with their wealth. Now, to your earlier point about it being unobjectionable in the absence of exploitation, I absolutely agree. Are you suggesting that leftists wouldn't understand that? I still think "wealth is bad" is a good short hand because generally speaking it's true - Bernie Sanders being the exception (and there are other exceptions of course) only proves the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SaysWho? Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 10 hours ago, Jason said: The kid in question is currently leaning toward Klobuchar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 1 hour ago, SaysWho? said: The kid in question is currently leaning toward Klobuchar. White boys can't duck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Remarkableriots Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/reparations-for-slavery-shelved-for-decades-is-on-the-election-table/ar-BBVQcAi?ocid=AMZN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 I once thought she had good political instincts 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Remarkableriots said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/reparations-for-slavery-shelved-for-decades-is-on-the-election-table/ar-BBVQcAi?ocid=AMZN Woah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 1 hour ago, RedSoxFan9 said: I once thought she had good political instincts 🤷♂️ She's awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 1 hour ago, RedSoxFan9 said: I once thought she had good political instincts 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Massdriver Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 On 4/12/2019 at 10:03 AM, Greatoneshere said: To be fair their heart is in the right place - they are just massively over-correcting because wealth has, almost synonymously become associated with being bad because, generally speaking, wealthy people have shown they are bad with their wealth. Now, to your earlier point about it being unobjectionable in the absence of exploitation, I absolutely agree. Are you suggesting that leftists wouldn't understand that? I still think "wealth is bad" is a good short hand because generally speaking it's true - Bernie Sanders being the exception (and there are other exceptions of course) only proves the rule. It’s not true. It’s absurd. There are plenty of unethical rich people, but it doesn’t follow that wealth itself is bad. Have you ever spent a meaningful amount of time in a developing nation? This whole notion that wealth is bad has been tested and the results are in. I strongly prefer being in rich countries where there are a lot of millionaires and a lot of wealth. How do you help the poor with redistribution if you don’t have wealth to tax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Massdriver said: It’s not true. It’s absurd. There are plenty of unethical rich people, but it doesn’t follow that wealth itself is bad. Have you ever spent a meaningful amount of time in a developing nation? This whole nation that wealth is bad has been tested and the results are in. I strongly prefer being in rich countries where there are a lot of millionaires and a lot of wealth. How do you help the poor with redistribution if you don’t have wealth to tax? I would say you are fundamentally misunderstanding what people mean when they use the shorthand "wealth is bad" which was entirely my point. The argument I'm making is that wealth isn't bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: I would say you are fundamentally misunderstanding what people mean when they use the shorthand "wealth is bad" which was entirely my point. The argument I'm making is that wealth isn't bad. You said it was good short hand. Wealth is good is good short hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 25 minutes ago, Massdriver said: It’s not true. It’s absurd. There are plenty of unethical rich people, but it doesn’t follow that wealth itself is bad. Have you ever spent a meaningful amount of time in a developing nation? This whole nation that wealth is bad has been tested and the results are in. I strongly prefer being in rich countries where there are a lot of millionaires and a lot of wealth. How do you help the poor with redistribution if you don’t have wealth to tax? Perhaps developing nations are poor precisely because they’ve been exploited by wealthier nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, SilentWorld said: Perhaps developing nations are poor precisely because they’ve been exploited by wealthier nations. That’s true for many poor countries, but not all of them. However it doesn’t follow that wealth is bad. Every nation on earth could be wealthy. It isn’t a zero sum game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted April 14, 2019 Author Share Posted April 14, 2019 I wouldn't mind having fewer obscenely wealthy people if it meant they don't control as much compared to poorer people, and poorer/middle-class people have more spending power. We live in a nation where a not insignificant amount of people are scared of a sudden $500 medical bill; that's hardly a resounding "results are in and fuck yeah." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Wealth isn't bad, the wealthy using their political power to keep people poor and refuse to help them are bad and thinking that poor people don't have a voice in that discussion is also bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Greatoneshere Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Massdriver said: You said it was good short hand. Wealth is good is good short hand. Except . . . 1 hour ago, Anathema- said: Wealth isn't bad, the wealthy using their political power to keep people poor and refuse to help them are bad and thinking that poor people don't have a voice in that discussion is also bad. This. I'm saying it has become synonymous with bad. I'm wealthy, grew up wealthy, I can tell you that the wealthy are disingenuous and work in bad faith generally speaking. The broader evidence exhibited by the country bears this out. Wealth is inherently good but since wealth also corrupts there's a cognitive dissonance there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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