SaysWho? Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 "I'm with her" was created by her campaign. He's 100% correct that #ImWithHer (which is something she certainly ran on and Michelle Obama even put in her convention speech) was not a good move. Messages like "Building a bridge to the 21st Century," "Change We Can Believe In," "Yes We Can," suggest a platform and vision that is greater than one individual. "I'm With Her" does not, and it's something even some Hillary folk ended up disliking (source: Shattered). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 It still wasn't her slogan, it wasn't what she ran on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 FiveThirtyEight: How Andrew Yang Could Win the 2020 Primary Oh Nate, you shouldn’t have! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just remember the Mueller report isn't going to have any impact on the election, cause Trump is going to do what he does best for the next year and a half, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 20 minutes ago, Anathema- said: It still wasn't her slogan, it wasn't what she ran on. What does it say about her campaign that it's what we all remember as being her slogan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 @SFLUFAN Please make me a moderator, so I can orbital strike any and all discussion about Hillary Rodham Clinton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 The most brain-dead slogan of 2016 was "Love Trumps Hate". Did any of the braintrust that came up with that one actually say it out loud to realize the snarky double-meaning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: FiveThirtyEight: How Andrew Yang Could Win the 2020 Primary Oh Nate, you shouldn’t have! I like his policy page, but does he have the charisma of a leader? I haven't watched him speak at all yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, Massdriver said: I like his policy page, but does he have the charisma of a leader? I haven't watched him speak at all yet. He agreed to debate Ben Shapiro on circumcision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 22 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: FiveThirtyEight: How Andrew Yang Could Win the 2020 Primary Oh Nate, you shouldn’t have! (he does it for all announced candidates) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Yang isn't perfect though so fuck that guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Anathema- said: (he does it for all announced candidates) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Yang is great on policy, but I doubt he can effectively communicate these things. Not bullish on him at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Yang is great on policy, but I doubt he can effectively communicate these things. Not bullish on him at all. 18 minutes ago, Jason said: He agreed to debate Ben Shapiro on circumcision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 20 minutes ago, Massdriver said: I like his policy page, but does he have the charisma of a leader? I haven't watched him speak at all yet. He’s not Obama, but he’s at least got the sort of ‘cool dude I could have a beer with’ vibe I think. He’s like that approachable left-leaning (Asian?) acquaintance you’d occasionally get drunk with in college that just happened to make it big in tech after graduation. It’s not the worst ethos to have. But he’s not going to be singing any church-rattling sermons, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Yang is great on policy, but I doubt he can effectively communicate these things. Not bullish on him at all. Is anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, Jason said: Policy is not good judgement. He probably suffers from the delusion that with enough conversation these pieces of shit will hop off the Trump train Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Policy is not good judgement. He probably suffers from the delusion that with enough conversation these pieces of shit will hop off the Trump train I was referring to the effective communication part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 No one should trust a tech bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokra Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I've never quite understood the desire for a leader to be a person I could get a beer with. I want someone who gets shit done and is ethical. Obviously they will need some social skills when working with other political figures, but their track record and intentions are far more important to me than their ability to shoot the shit with us peasants. Maybe someone to whom it is important could explain why this is a good criterion. @legend should just create an AI leader. I, for one, welcome our robot overlords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nokra said: I've never quite understood the desire for a leader to be a person I could get a beer with. I want someone who gets shit done and is ethical. Obviously they will need some social skills when working with other political figures, but their track record and intentions are far more important to me than their ability to shoot the shit with us peasants. Maybe someone to whom it is important could explain why this is a good criterion. @legend should just create an AI leader. I, for one, welcome our robot overlords. Your vote of confidence has been recorded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Jason said: Great post there - I can't see shit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, RedSoxFan9 said: Wonder if people will give Beto as hard a time about this as people did about Sirota being with Sanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazatron Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Anathema- said: It still wasn't her slogan, it wasn't what she ran on. It is what it became as she flew back and forth between New York and California raising money with celebrity photo ops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Anathema- said: He criticized her whole campaign for a slogan that wasn't her slogan. It's an invalid criticism and cuts against the largest constituency in the party. For being a smart guy it's a dumb move. “I’m with her” became so connected to the campaign that the campaign titled a video “They’re with her” on the official YouTube page. Come on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: He’s not Obama, but he’s at least got the sort of ‘cool dude I could have a beer with’ vibe I think. He’s like that approachable left-leaning (Asian?) acquaintance you’d occasionally get drunk with in college that just happened to make it big in tech after graduation. It’s not the worst ethos to have. But he’s not going to be singing any church-rattling sermons, either. I think a negative income tax would be a lot cheaper and would be more likely to pass. It's the same concept but targeted at just the middle class and poor. $12k/year plus medicare for all is going to cost a fortune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: Great post there - I can't see shit! Fucker deleted his tweet sometime after I posted it. It was comparing NYT headlines about Mueller on March 23 and 25. Basically "who cares" to "puts Democrats in a bind". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Anathema- said: It still wasn't her slogan, it wasn't what she ran on. The point is whatever her actual slogan was, it was apparently supremely unmemorable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Jason said: Fucker deleted his tweet sometime after I posted it. It was comparing NYT headlines about Mueller on March 23 and 25. Basically "who cares" to "puts Democrats in a bind". I remember. I saw the tweet you posted when it was up. I was there. I. Was. There. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, SaysWho? said: I remember. I saw the tweet you posted when it was up. I was there. I. Was. There. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 6 hours ago, sblfilms said: “I’m with her” became so connected to the campaign that the campaign titled a video “They’re with her” on the official YouTube page. Come on! So what? He wants to criticize her campaign and does so by saying it was like "X" when it wasn't like "X" at all. We can quibble over what makes for a slogan, but if he wasn't paying attention enough to tell the difference between her real slogan and this then he's an idiot for opening his mouth. This isn't some message board rando that deserves the benefit of the doubt, he's running for president. I think it's fair to expect him not to say things that could alienate a majority of his party based on a premise that's shaky at best and to say he made a mistake if he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Anathema- said: So what? He wants to criticize her campaign and does so by saying it was like "X" when it wasn't like "X" at all. We can quibble over what makes for a slogan, but if he wasn't paying attention enough to tell the difference between her real slogan and this then he's an idiot for opening his mouth. This isn't some message board rando that deserves the benefit of the doubt, he's running for president. I think it's fair to expect him not to say things that could alienate a majority of his party based on a premise that's shaky at best and to say he made a mistake if he did. I am not sure it alienates much of the party TBH, but I respect this point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, sblfilms said: I am not sure it alienates much of the party TBH, but I respect this point of view. It may not and if he never mentions it again nobody will know. It's just dumb and a mistake and absolutely that attitude risks alienating a majority of the party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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