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I just think it may be a standard with more of a "yes" or "no" as opposed to having a wide variance. We'll find out in a few months.

I know that, this is what I was responding to: If your question was in regards to the higher bandwidth of 2.1 being needed, then it may be needed since the 2.1 VRR standard seems to be based on 120hz 4k capability on the little info known at this time.

Data needs to transmit and be decoded with Freesync and GSync, it’s why GSync used a hardware solution for faster decoding, no?

I can’t imagine that the port is the same and the difference is only the cable, to my knowledge, 2.0 ports are not capable of the higher bandwidth output of 2.1. It would be odd if 2.0 ports are capable of the 48gbps of 2.1 but the cables were limited for no reason...? HDR is a factor as why in gods name wouldn’t you want HDR? As mentioned, the chart is confusing, but may suggest that “GSync compatible displays” (Freesync) are not capable of using HDR with VRR enabled on an nVidia card and it requires the actual GSync module (maybe).

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I'm probably not explaining well so let me try to clarify my concern; the TV may need to "see"/"recognize" another 2.1 port to enable the feature. My concern isn't the Samsung TV, as it has modified 2.0 port that may or may not actually be fully 2.1 compliant (from a bandwidth standpoint at the very least), my concern is the connection of said modified HDMI 2.0 port to a standard 2.0 port and the feature still working (especially on a full-fledged 2.1 TV and/or receiver that is looking for a 2.1-2.1 connection to enable 2.1 features). An example of this may be the 1.3 HDMI Sony 4k TV from several years back that had all of the 1.4 features but lacked the ports: it could fully use 1.4 features, but only internally or via USB, unless you upgraded the ports (Sony smartly made the HDMI circuit board removable and plug-and-play to allow the 1.3 ports to be replaced with 1.4 ports) - obviously the example isn't the best as I'm talking about the GPU's HDMI and not the TVs, but the part that stands would be that a 9xx and 1xxx card are capable of likely all the 2.1 features, however, the 2.0 port would or could limit it from actually doing so (especially since nVidia has their VRR versions currently only available through a DP connection). Obviously, if the 2018 QLEDs pass nVidia's Freesync to GSync standards, they could potentially use their "Freesync mode" via nVidia's GPUs, but my concern is TVs that do not have Freesync and only use 2.1 VRR which has the 120hz 4k standard in place and may or may not accept a signal not capable of that. I'm not saying that it's not possible, I'm just stating my concern as to why it may not be. Also, worth mentioning, it looks from nVidia's new GSync chart/characterization/naming scheme that the non-hardware GSync monitors (Freesync monitors) won't be capable of HDR through GSync, unless I'm misunderstanding the chart.

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The current TVs that are doing it patched in Freesync to do it and aren’t using 2.1’s VRR tech, the demos where they show 2.1 VRR tech in action aren’t using HDMI but the internal storage, just like the 4k 120hz demos.

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I must’ve edited my post right before you replied. Something else to consider: It may or may not be worth noting that, to my knowledge, GSYNC and nVidias new found support of Freesync are through DP, not HDMI afaik. Also, I understand that it could support up to the current standard of 60hz, however, since 2.1 VRR is based on up to 120hz, would the TV even properly accept a 60hz limited signal or simply see that there’s not enough bandwidth available from the connection and not allow the feature?

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As stepee’s above link indicates, the “let’s make it freesync until 2.1 is available” is limited due to current bandwidth constraints. IIRC, VRR (and the HDMI 2.1 standard) requires 120hz 4k capability through the HDMI port, which is why the XboneX has a modified port. nVidia hasn’t stated either way if the 1xxx series is capable of higher bandwidth than the 2.0 standard on its HDMI port. Also, it may or may not be worth noting that, to my knowledge, GSYNC and nVidias new found support of Freesync are through DP, not HDMI afaik. I just wouldn’t get overly hopeful that current HDMI 2.0 video cards will retroactively support 2.1’s VRR or any 2.1 feature until something official is stated.

Not with me, as I would have definitely remembered about VRR support Unfortunately, I don’t think it would be possible as a firmware/driver update for the current cards. The Q9, like the XboneX, has an “almost” HDMI 2.1 port/hardware (or maybe just an “upgraded HDMI 2.0 port”? Whatever you want to call it ). The ports in question are above HDMI 2.0 spec, but may not be 2.1 compliant as, in Microsoft’s case, they did as close to the specification as possible, though some was guessing as 2.1 wasn’t finalized when they were making the hardware. To my knowledge, the GTX 1xxx series are straight-up unmodified HDMI 2.0 ports, though, I’m not certain what’s required for the VRR to be supported, but I do have doubts it’s purely software dependent.

No, our discussion was on HDR. That also confirms that Freesync =/= HDMI 2.1 VRR and is promising that nVidia may actually support it, then (since they wouldn’t have to concede monitors).

I’m going purely by ratings charts I remember seeing in one of the documentaries I’ve watched.

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Good. I *like* my AppleTV but I’d much rather have it’s features as a built-in app on my TV. Honestly, if it wasn’t given to me randomly as a gift from my fiancé’s parents, I would have never purchased one on my own. It’s overpriced.

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No, it’s similar but is not the same, it is the same type of software-based idea, though, afaik. I’m not saying it’s not possible for Samsung to put out an update that allows its current Freesync implementation to be used as HDMI 2.1’s VRR, what I am saying is that it’s currently unknown if it’s possible for them to do that unless I missed an announcement somewhere, and thus conclusions shouldn’t be assumed. Also, yes, HDMI 2.1 VRR will support HDR, just like Freesync and GSync already do

If you’re referencing Samsung’s QLED, it supports Freesync, not HDMI 2.1’s VRR. Whether that will translate into HDMI 2.1 VRR compatibility is currently unknown afaik.

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TBF, freesync =/= HDMI 2.1’s VRR nVidia could support HDMI 2.1 VRR and still ignore freesync