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I'm not even sure what your argument is at this point. We have 2 games that have flopped on GP, even though MS says Gears 5 drove subscriptions, every other game that is a success you have some excuse to explain away. Are you arguing that Games Pass is bad? Show me on the doll where Games Pass touched you. Much like MS and Sony get millions from XBL/PSN subs, MS wants to make millions off of Games Pass subs. Maybe Games Pass leads to less games sales, but MS wants to make up for it in guaranteed sub revenue, plus it just locks you into their ecosystem. By all accounts, so far Games Pass is a smashing success. Sounds like you're just afraid it's success will cause other publishers to push for their own sub models, which much like what's going on with tv right now would suck. Actually it probably wouldn't even matter unless publishers only release their games into their subscriptions, as long as you can purchase separately it's literally not even a problem. But I don't want to put words in your mouth so what exactly is your argument or thoughts regarding Games Pass? I'll admit, they got me hook line and sinker saying it's the best value in gaming, and as it stands even if I couldn't get it for free, I'd pay the $9.99 or I guess $14.99 a month for ultimate because the value is definitely there for me.

Crackdown 3 was terrible and can't really be used as a data point. Some of these game are going to be stinkers and you can't turn around say ha see GP is a failure because a few shitty games bombed, and again Games Pass potentially saved 2 bombs in the form of State of Decay 2 and Sea of Thieves. You can argue why they succeeded on GP, but you can't argue that they ultimately succeeded. We literally have a game on Games Pass hitting #2 on NPD during Call of Duty month, where nothing outside of a Rockstar game is going to challenge that for #1.

I think Gears 5 is the only game we can say had lower than expected sales because of GP, and even then MS has said it drove GP subscriptions. At this point we've had numerous devs say that being on GP has driven sales beyond their expectations. Even if you're only going from a first party perspective, State of Decay 2 and Sea of Thieves are considered to have sold above expectations despite being critical duds and being on GP. I think overall it's pretty clear this idea that all GP is doing is getting MS $1 rentals is false. Obviously we don't and probably never will have access to the numbers, but if GP was killing sales and revenue as a bunch of $1 free loaders being the only people playing the games MS at some point would kill the program, but they seem to be all in on the GP train and they either are already seeing a positive return on that investment or expect to see one soon.

TOW is another example of a game on GP going on to sell well. GP is clearly not a sales killer. Too bad we won't get too many games launching on GP and PS4 day and date to compare it to, since GP is probably boosting sales of this game on PS4 too due to it's great word of mouth. I wonder if MS will ever convince a third party multiplatform game to launch on GP on release date. Would be interesting to see the sales results and to see if the PS4/5 version gets a boost in sales due to the added exposure of the game being on GP.

Since @SaysWho? apparently can't be bothered. October was an above average month, though down from last year due to RDR2 Top 20 best-selling games of October in the U.S. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2019 The Outer Worlds Luigi’s Mansion 3* Madden NFL 20 NBA 2K20 Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon: Breakpoint WWE 2K20 FIFA 20 Borderlands 3 Ring Fit Adventure The Legend of Zelda: Link’s Awakening* Mario Kart 8* Minecraft# Grand Theft Auto V Mortal Kombat 11 Overwatch Super Smash Bros. Ultimate* Code Vein Red Dead Redemption II The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild* * Digital sales not included # Digital sales only include Xbox One and PlayStation 4 The 10 best-selling games of 2019 so far Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2019 NBA 2K20 Madden NFL 20 Borderlands 3 Mortal Kombat 11 Kingdom Hearts III Tom Clancy’s The Division 2 Anthem Super Smash Bros. Ultimate* Grand Theft Auto V The 10 best-selling games of the last 12 months Red Dead Redemption II Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2019 Super Smash Bros. Ultimate* Call of Duty: Black Ops IIII NBA 2K20 Madden NFL 20 Borderlands 3 Mortal Kombat 11 NBA 2K19 Battlefield V Xbox One Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2019 Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon: Breakpoint Madden NFL 20 The Outer Worlds NBA 2K20 Borderlands 3 WWE 2K20 FIFA 20 Grand Theft Auto V Gears 5 PlayStation 4 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2019 The Outer Worlds NBA 2K20 Madden NFL 20 Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon: Breakpoint WWE 2K20 FIFA 20 Borderlands 3 Mortal Kombat 11 Grand Theft Auto V Nintendo Switch Luigi’s Mansion 3* Ring Fit Adventure The Legend of Zelda: Link’s Awakening* Mario Kart 8* Super Smash Bros. Ultimate* Overwatch The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild* The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt* Super Mario Maker 2* New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe* Nintendo 3DS Pokemon: Ultra Sun* Pokemon: Ultra Moon* Mario Kart 7* Luigi’s Mansion* The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask 3D* Super Mario 3D Land* Luigi’s Mansion: Dark Moon* Super Mario Maker* Super Smash Bros.* Minecraft* Call of Duty: Modern Warfare The latest Call of Duty is keeping that franchise’s momentum going strong. “Call of Duty: Modern Warfare debuts as the best-selling game of October 2019, and is now the best-selling game of 2019 year to date,” said Piscatella. “This is the 12th consecutive year a Call of Duty game has ranked as the best-selling game of its release month. Call of Duty remains the best-selling video game franchise in U.S. tracked history by dollar sales.” Luigi’s Mansion 3 “Luigi’s Mansion 3 was the third best-selling game of October, while also being the month’s best-selling game on Nintendo Switch,”said Piscatella. “Luigi’s Mansion 3 set a new launch month franchise sales record, besting the previous high set by Luigi’s Mansion.” Fighting games in 2019 “Year-to-date sales of fighting genre games are at an all-time high, with genre sales 11 percent higher than the previous year-to-date high set in 2015,” said Piscatella. “Both Mortal Kombat 11 and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate have significantly contributed to that success.” Hardware Hardware sales fell 41% vs October 2018 to $182m. YTD hardware sales fell 23% vs 2018 to $2.1b. Switch is the only console to make gains both in October and YTD. Switch is again the best selling console this month and remains the best selling console of the year. PS4 is the third fastest selling console in U.S. history, after the Wii and PS2. Per Mat Piscatella:

I meant michael Thomas in the gambling thread

Steelers $2000 !. Steelers FG 2. Steelers 3. Jets/Redskins 4. 150-199 5. Jets, Indy, KC 6. Tampa Bay 7. Mike Evans 8. Michael Thompson, Dalvin Cook

No Acquisitions?

I already have it but Witcher 3 coming to GP seems pretty huge for the 2 of you who haven't gotten to it yet. Also nice to see Rage 2 coming, Sadly for them I never bought it because I knew it eventually would. Great for me though. GP is becoming an insane value and almost a must have if you have an Xbox or gaming PC.

After I bought all of them other than 12, motherfucker

Just got out of my meeting, is this still going on? The Yakuza remasters coming to GP is nice, will have to finally check out the series.

When do the reviews go up?

Good call. Feels like that game has been getting talked about forever. We're definitely not getting something like Forza 8 shadow dropped or anything.

According to a resetera admin we're getting a new IP from Obsidian and Rare, a shadow drop, and more.

They got some really good chocolate milk out here I get from time, but other than that I haven't drank a straight glass of regular white milk probably since I was a teenager. I don't have any kids so most milk I buy half of it goes to waste anyway so I just try to keep a half gallon around to add it into something every now and then, or every once in awhile I'll have a bowl of cereal.

Well then you can add the fuckery in all the games that followed too. I only ever actually beat FF8 once so I forget all the weird shit going on there, and then well I haven't actually beaten 9 in awhile but isnt some shit like Zidane is from the same planet as Kuja and is really some sort of experiment. I don't know, I forget. Then you have Tidus and Auron from X.

I will say with all this hype, we better get something good. I'm gonna need more than a 5 minute Wasteland 3 preview and 60 seconds of Halo Infinity gameplay from the "Biggest Inside Xbox Ever". I'm gonna need some new unannounced games and something new on the next console.

And of course I have a fucking meeting when it comes on, I was going to take my lunch to watch it. Bastards.

It’s definitely not just a white thing as I’ve seen quite a few Mexicans do it too. I think it’s just the hot new trend.

Finished up the weekend with some Ruiner NG+ and then fired up Doom 2016 to finish up getting the achievements because sometimes you just need a little bit of the ultra violence. Well Ruiner is pretty violent too. Might have to pre-order Doom Eternal. Doom just scratches that itch where sometimes shotguns to faces is just what you need.

That's gonna be a no from me Dawg. Looks like nearly all of that would probably be on Project xCloud anyway, so might as well see how that turns out.

Definitely "Would you Kindly" It's not my favorite, but I just finished Ruiner which tries to be mind fuckey for the none of you who have played it

Skyrim dark souls bloodborne witcher 3 Doom resogun gta v im blanking on anything else right now

I do get the Rams game, though it does interfere with my weekend nap time

Hopefully I’ll get the Rams game here since the Cardinals are on early. also thanks for the Chargers fucking me over in the mock pick em pool thing.